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FatCat said:
Yes I’d go with Blair and his phoney war. Johnson may not be popular but he got things done despite the naysayers, Brexit for one we had spent enough years messing about with that, only someone of his gravitas could have forced that through in the way he did.

Ps weegord im at work and did have a look earlier but then got something urgent to do. Off into a couple of meetings for the next hour so no need for you to monitor how long I’ll be gone for :1)
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Wrong thread mate. Think you meant to post this on your (excellent) dad jokes one.
 
Muttley said:
Without doubt the worst of my lifetime (and I've been of voting age for nearly half a century. The only PM to be convicted of a criminal offence whilst in office.

I would happily vote for the reanimated corpse of Thatcher before that fetid pile of human weaknesses. A liar, a cheat, corrupt, capricious and quite probably a traitor.

Name a worse one (show your working)...
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Good……you dig her up lad and I’ll sh1t in her grave ready for when you put her back!👍
 
FatCat said:
Yes I’d go with Blair and his phoney war. Johnson may not be popular but he got things done despite the naysayers, Brexit for one we had spent enough years messing about with that, only someone of his gravitas could have forced that through in the way he did.

Ps weegord im at work and did have a look earlier but then got something urgent to do. Off into a couple of meetings for the next hour so no need for you to monitor how long I’ll be gone for :1)
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How many huddles do you have a day in “Maccy D’s”?
 
The full damage of Johnson's spell as Prime Minister is yet to be fully seen, for me he was by some way the worst Prime Minister that we've had, arguably some Prime Minister's have had worse policies and made terrible decisions but I think all have had what they thought were in the best interests of this country or the wider world at the heart of those choices.

Johnson has never once acted in the interest of anyone but himself, he has rode roughshod over the rules of law and decency, the seven principles of Public Life have all been ignored, defiled and mocked by his very presence in No.10;

Selflessness; he has always and consistently put his own interests first, he couldn't be bothered to turn up for crucial meetings, cancelled others at the last minute, broke rules to please himself and took holidays and decorating costs from others.

Integrity; had none whatsoever, lied and double down on those lies, broke promise after promise and continually backtracked at U-turned when it suited.

Objectivity; non whatsoever appointed yes men and women at the expense of those with real expertise, chose toadies and those who would turn a blind eye to his worst behaviours.

Accountability; always the fault of someone else, never held his hand up to admit blame and happily through others under the bus in attempt to protect himself, Operation Big Dog.

Openness; the several NDA's he has floating around suggest he's got things to hide, his private relationships both professionally and privately with people who should not be anywhere close to a PM. The Secret Service file that said because of his opacity he was a risk to National Security. The lengths the FO went to to exclude him from secrets, tell you all there is to know about Johnson.

Honesty; surely there can't be a person left in this country that believes that Johnson has an honest bone in his body, they're prepared to forgive his dishonesty but recognise it's there.

Leadership; has shown none, he confused and blathered, flipped and floundered, and never once did anything that was worthy of following, a leader should be an example as evidenced by his inability to adhere to the six principles above make his failure to be a leader all too apparent.

Goodbye and good riddance to the man least suited to the job he was tasked to undertake.
 
FatCat said:
But of course there’s no clique. You need people like me on here to keep you guys honest - you talk about debate but gang up on anybody with a different view.
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Well let's have some debate as to why you think he was a decent PM, rather than just the usual Tory bluster shyte as the country is being run into the ground by them.

So come on, fire away with what's inspired you?
 
FatCat said:
But of course there’s no clique. You need people like me on here to keep you guys honest - you talk about debate but gang up on anybody with a different view.
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Did you seriously just come back to start a troll thread? Crazy how some people get their kicks

It's not differing views you know this but "got Brexit done" is a lie. So it's a lie, against the truth
 
SmallTown said:
Did you seriously just come back to start a troll thread? Crazy how some people get their kicks

It's not differing views you know this but "got Brexit done" is a lie. So it's a lie, against the truth
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Where would we have been if Johnson hadn’t secured a majority - we had 4 years of paralysis
And no end in sight. You might not like the outcome but he was the only person interested in pushing it through.
 
FatCat said:
Where would we have been if Johnson hadn’t secured a majority - we had 4 years of paralysis
And no end in sight. You might not like the outcome but he was the only person interested in pushing it through.
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This is utterly incorrect. I suspect you know this. Anyone else could have negatioited a better deal for us. Less destructive and damaging. Theresa May already had. You can't seriously believe the indolent one did anything useful? His failures in negotiations sadly us with the worst process possible. Something we are trying to unoick. So no: brexit isn't done and anyone else, literally anyone, could have started implementing it better than this negligent lying clown
 
dooderooni said:
Thatcher outdoes him in the damage done to the working man stakes, but Johnson is way out in front of even her in how he's sullied the whole democratic process and turned politics into an exercise in self- enrichment.
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Thatcher does in deed, she can also be blamed or congratulated (which ever one suits) for turning the former NE red wall blue, after all she managed to decimate large working class areas, of their main industries and somehow the Tories have managed to convince people, it is Labour's and or Europe's fault and that you are better served by them, absolutely amazing if it wasn't so tragic.

Johnson has certainly brought the office of PM into disrepute, and if he had as long as Thatcher as PM he may have even surpassed her for overall damage done.
 
Listening to the sycophant MP's saying what a good job had done and claping and cheering him, when only last week most of them stabbed him in the back and then in the front was unbelievable.
 
There was an article I read a while ago about a bloke who was writing about the worst US presidents. They asked him about criteria he was using and it mainly came down to how many peoples deaths could be attributed to them. That's pretty much what I go for as well. Pretty tricky because, how many peoples deaths did Cameron's austerity cause, how culpable is Johnson for COVID deaths when he was in an unprecedented situation. The most hard to quantify of all would be future deaths. They've all been pretty terrible in terms of the environment. Much more should be done. After that I add the things which I care about. Housing. Public services. I tend to think of a prime minister being in captain of a ship at sea. It's difficult to judge who is the best captain if one has clear blue skies while the other sails through a hurricane.

He said Nixon was the worst by the way. Vietnam. Not to mention the flying nuclear armed bombers at the Soviets to try and convince them he was mental.
 
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