Going from bad to worse for the Labour Party

Oh they haven't helped themselves either, childish infighting and some silly policies to name a few, but they have always offered the working classes better options than the tories .
The minimum wage, the NHS etc all introduced by labour whilst the tories opposed them.
Can anyone tell me what the tories have ever done for the working classes
So it looks like they need to go cap in hand to Rupert again. He was Blair’s first port of call the minute he got the gig after John Smith died. Not a sniff of power since . The only way to get the thick trolls back onside?
 
This Government wasted 22 BILLION on a useless Track-and-Trace app with an out-of-date Excel spreadsheet as the backend. It should be one of the greatest political scandal in our lifetimes, but no one cares. They spent millions more on PPE contracts with Tory donors who created new companies with no ability to supply what they promised...

They are utterly corrupt and utterly incompetent. The reason they are still ahead in the polls is because of the volume of uneducated working class c*nts who believe what they read in The Daily Mail and The Sun. One class within this country keeps the Eton lot in power and it is the working class. England is a nation of thick cap doffers. The super-rich have won - they spend a small % of their wealth to control the media and it works like a dream. Over on COB there are imbeciles born in Grangetown and South-Bank proud of the fact they now vote Conservative... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

You can't be surprised that traditional Labour voters are deserting the party. Nobody knows what they stand for, or understand their policies. Labour don't seem to be mounting any opposition to the government and aren't taking any position on the future of the Union. They just seem to be muddling along hoping for the government to mess up. Even then they don't seem capable of holding Boris' feet to the fire. That latest PPB was a complete shambles.

Labour needs to stick the pole in the shifting sand somewhere. You can't appeal to the broad church without having some plans and ideas.
 
You can't be surprised that traditional Labour voters are deserting the party. Nobody knows what they stand for, or understand their policies. Labour don't seem to be mounting any opposition to the government and aren't taking any position on the future of the Union. They just seem to be muddling along hoping for the government to mess up. Even then they don't seem capable of holding Boris' feet to the fire. That latest PPB was a complete shambles.

Labour needs to stick the pole in the shifting sand somewhere. You can't appeal to the broad church without having some plans and ideas.
I think you make some good points but the Tories are all over the place on policy as well just now, who knows what they stand for anymore? Certainly not public finance prudence and low taxation.

Unless Johnson does something stupid like calling an election in the middle of the pandemic then Labour have plenty of time to get some policies sorted out.
 
Boris Johnson and the Conservatives have literally been found by a Court order to have misled Parliament, in the same week as they fell over themselves in demanding Nicola Sturgeon resign for allegedly doing the same.

This would be a scandal in any other time and would lead to the resignation of anyone accused, nothing.

It really does not matter what Labour do right now, nothing they could do would come close to the plethora of scandals, dodgy contracts, incompetence and death toll under this government.

They just serenely exist in a shield of client journalism and contempt, knowing nothing they do will get out to the wider electorate who care little of politics and looking outside their own bubble. The 40%.
 
It is what it is, that’s democracy isn’t it?
for true democracy, all votes must be equal and fair, for that you need a) a fair representation voting system, b) all bodies elected not by birth right or cronyism, c) clarity over political funding, d) a press and media that is governed to ensure integrity, e) truth to prevail over rhetoric and lies.

If those aren't in place...and they're not....then you have an illusion of democracy, it is really nothing more than a bourgeois democracy.
 
It makes plenty of sense, we've had a couple of posters who have had multiple accounts on here and previous board. They came on to spread anti-labour rhetoric.

You are a new account, you joined 16 days ago. Her you are creating an anti-labour post. A quick looka t your account and we see:

- stating that the Tory development of Teesside Park did not effect Stockton High St, which is clearly nonsense
- Pro Tory stuff on the Darlington jobs announcement
- Defending the government in its failure to understand who brought the Brazil variant into the country
- Told us that there was going to be a significant pay rise for the NHS, then when it was 1%said 5% (barely scratching the surface of 10 years of pay freezes) would be 'fair'.

Tory shill.
As you have clearly stated I am new here... so how the hell would I know what... or who has come before me.

I don’t know you from Adam and you don’t know me... everyone seems to be a friendly bunch regardless of political persuasions apart from the couple of sly digs from you in the last 16 days.

for what it is worth I am a floating voter... I voted Tory the last two elections but had voted Labour before that.

My post today has highlighted the fact that the Labour Party seems to be in just as big a mess as it was at the last election and all the grownups on the board have brought some great discussions... then there is you...

Tell you what why don’t we just pretend that you don’t see my posts and I don’t see your dribble and we each have a nice day
 
As you have clearly stated I am new here... so how the hell would I know what... or who has come before me.
new account, doesn't mean YOU are new here. Maybe you are, maybe your a COB migrant, maybe you are one of our repeating trolls, dunno, still seem to be a bit of a Tory shill either way,
 
You can't be surprised that traditional Labour voters are deserting the party. Nobody knows what they stand for, or understand their policies. Labour don't seem to be mounting any opposition to the government and aren't taking any position on the future of the Union. They just seem to be muddling along hoping for the government to mess up. Even then they don't seem capable of holding Boris' feet to the fire. That latest PPB was a complete shambles.

Labour needs to stick the pole in the shifting sand somewhere. You can't appeal to the broad church without having some plans and ideas.
What is a traditional labour vote? Who are leaving in droves, those who voted Tory? In Redcar Blythe Stoke .... It's the language of the 50's, the left of the party I doubt represents 5% of the country.
 
I think you make some good points but the Tories are all over the place on policy as well just now, who knows what they stand for anymore? Certainly not public finance prudence and low taxation.

Unless Johnson does something stupid like calling an election in the middle of the pandemic then Labour have plenty of time to get some policies sorted out.

Yes, Tory policy is pretty muddled, I agree. But the differences are that the Tories are in government, not opposition. They came to power promising to get Brexit done, and level the country up. There's a pandemic and an economic downturn, and they've been flinging money at both. What I can't see is any opposition though. Labour voted for the Brexit deal, usually haven't voted against the government and don't seem to be sure about what to do with regards to the SNP.

There's about 3 years for Labour to get it together, but on the basis of what's been going on in the 15 months since the last election it's not much time.
 
Free ride?
Extreme Centrists?

Nothing Labour say or do right now gets any airtime unless it's negative, even if it's not a negative it gets turned into one.

The Tories are the ones getting a free ride and that's why they are up in the polls.
Because everything Labour say and do at the moment eventually boils down to agreeing with Johnson.
It almost feels like they don't want to upset the apple cart.
 
All this thread tells me is that there are too many people willing still to give their vote to the biggest bunch of charlatans and liars I have the misfortune to remember. Completely depressing.
I actually agree with you to a degree but when you look at the alternative they are just as bad with the added issue of making themselves unelectable to the general population through simply ridiculous and ill thought out manifestos and policies.

people don’t like change and will revert to the perceived safe option if backed into a corner.
 
I actually agree with you to a degree but when you look at the alternative they are just as bad with the added issue of making themselves unelectable to the general population through simply ridiculous and ill thought out manifestos and policies.

people don’t like change and will revert to the perceived safe option if backed into a corner.
They are not "just as bad" not even close.its just a lazy excuse for putting tge tories in power
 
They are not "just as bad" not even close.its just a lazy excuse for putting tge tories in power
They might not be... but it’s up to the interpretation of the individual as they place that vote and Labour have done nothing to dispel the myth
 
Got to say Mountain Climber I think this is entirely backwards.

The problem isn't that Corbyn's Labour were obsessed with representing "fringe concerns, minority 'PC' issues". It's that the section of the working class you're talking about have become obsessed with attacking "fringe concerns, minority 'PC' issues".

Corbyn's Labour throughout 2015-2019 were offering a pay rise for public sector workers, collective bargaining for trade unions, and 4 extra bank holidays for the home nation's saint days. What are those if not working class gains? It's 3 policies directly giving workers more money, more power, and more time.

Half the working class have stopped caring about any policy areas that'll actually affect their lives. All they're interested in is deporting immigrants, Meghan Markle and where trans people go to the toilet.

Edit: I may be overstating it to say the working class have stopped caring. But I do think a certain amount of knowledge or skills has been lost since Thatcher gutted the trade unions. I bet a lot of voters in their 20s or 30s wouldn't know what collective bargaining was or how it could help them.

In fact there's probably something in peoples understanding of politics reducing over the years, and these same people finding an elitist patritional government appealing.
It's the voters' fault, then. And probably the media's, too. Maybe whoever the working class are now think many in the the public sector already have a far better deal than they do? Nearly all the people who I know who were Corbyn supporters work in the public sector. Maybe people don't want to see unions become too powerful because they remember the 1970s. What do you think the millions of self-employed workers and those in the gig economy for that matter thought about the idea of everyone else getting four more bank holidays? There was nobody in the room who understood any of this when Labour was forming it's last manifesto.
 
It's the voters' fault, then. And probably the media's, too. Maybe whoever the working class are now think many in the the public sector already have a far better deal than they do? Nearly all the people who I know who were Corbyn supporters work in the public sector. Maybe people don't want to see unions become too powerful because they remember the 1970s. What do you think the millions of self-employed workers and those in the gig economy for that matter thought about the idea of everyone else getting four more bank holidays? There was nobody in the room who understood any of this when Labour was forming it's last manifesto.

Apart from wanting to abolish IR35?
 
It's the voters' fault, then. And probably the media's, too. Maybe whoever the working class are now think many in the the public sector already have a far better deal than they do? Nearly all the people who I know who were Corbyn supporters work in the public sector. Maybe people don't want to see unions become too powerful because they remember the 1970s. What do you think the millions of self-employed workers and those in the gig economy for that matter thought about the idea of everyone else getting four more bank holidays? There was nobody in the room who understood any of this when Labour was forming it's last manifesto.

Labour manifesto covered uber taxi drivers, fast food deliverers, pickers, packers and courier drivers, wanting to ban “bogus self-employment” and create a single status of “worker” so that employers cannot evade employment rights.

Also those who work regular hours for more than 12 weeks would have the right to a regular contract enshrining those hours. Cancelled shifts would have to be paid and there would have to be “proper notice” of a change in hours
 
It's the voters' fault, then. And probably the media's, too. Maybe whoever the working class are now think many in the the public sector already have a far better deal than they do? Nearly all the people who I know who were Corbyn supporters work in the public sector. Maybe people don't want to see unions become too powerful because they remember the 1970s. What do you think the millions of self-employed workers and those in the gig economy for that matter thought about the idea of everyone else getting four more bank holidays? There was nobody in the room who understood any of this when Labour was forming it's last manifesto.

Modern Britain in a nutshell. Just bitter folk voting to make things worse to make other people bitter too in an endless loop.

"Miaow miaow miaow I hate the unions and I hate bank holidays and I hate public sector workers and I hate Meghan Markle and I hate all me neighbours wah wah wah"
 
Latest Yougov pol from the 4th March has them dropping another 4 points to the Tories in the latest voting intentions poll. (Conservative 45% / Labour 32%) 3 weeks ago there was just 3% difference... now its 13%

What's going wrong?
Your party are more popular
Corbyn/McDonnell helped with that
 
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