Going from bad to worse for the Labour Party

FartingGnome said:
I could ask what have the Tories done right ever, but since 1979 will do for starters. And by right I don't mean forge a cesspit of lies and corruption with the rich, the powerful and the media to propagate the agenda and get the gullible to swallow it and vote for the same old same old.
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So if the Tories are perceived by the voters to have done nothing right since 1979 why won’t people vote Labour?

Seems to me the only time Labour have been credible and popular was under Blair.
 
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Youngie said:
This is the thing for me... He started out strong and fresh but now offers nothing (bit like Britt for us)

We need a credible opposition (even I can say that as a Tory voter) and we just don't have that.
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We particularly need a credible and strong opposition whenever the government in power has a big majority like Boris has. And that would apply with a big majority Labour government too. Those in power must be constantly and effectively scrutinised, whether they are Tory, Labour or Libdem.

Labour were not remotely credible under Corbyn and his pantomime horse running mate Diane Abbot who were both a gift for the Tories and they don’t appear to be appealing to floating voters much now they have Keir Starmer which surprises me but these are strange times.

I love the comparison with Britt!
 
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viv_andersons_nana said:
Remember the PPE scandal? Or when Dominic Cummings did a press conference in the garden? FFS. How about Boris Johnson not bothering to show up for the first few COBRA meetings? Or when he boasted of shaking hands with people in hospital? What about when he was slow to lock the country down not once or twice but three times? Do you remember when he hid in a fridge to avoid a journalist? No? How about the time he stole a journalists phone and hid it in his pocket so said journalist couldn't embarrass him ON CAMERA? Does anyone remember the time they let people go straight from hospital into care homes without testing them first? The 'world beating' track and trace system? Remember Jennifer Acuri? Of course you don't. How about the chaos around quarantining and allowing people to fly out of the UK only to change the rules at the drop of a hat? Do you remember when they put £18bn worth of PPE contracts out without competitive tender? Amazing isn't it, all this stuff. How about when they downgraded GCSE and A Level results and then had to back-track? That was a good one. Do you remember the queues at Dover and the lorry parks? What about when they were forced to scrap forcing non-EU NHS staff to pay to use the NHS? We haven't even got onto the repeated lying in Parliament yet, or at PMQs. Or the £130m spent on PR? Anyone remember that or find it interesting? This is all since about a week before the election, by the way. We haven't even touched what he got up to before became Prime Minister, back when he was sacked for lying and threatening to have journalists beaten up and cheating on his wives and smashing up restaurants and being racist and homophobic. Do you remember when he talked about making model buses? What about the Westferry Printworks stuff with Richard Desmond? It was worth about £120m apparently, back when he was mayor of London. Amazing. It only came out last summer as well, you'd think people on the news would be really trying their knackers off to get to the bottom of it wouldn't you? Do you remember when he said police money was being "spaffed up the wall" when asked about historic child abuse? Funny that, isn't it. Class from Boris that.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, by the way. Anyone could find this on Google within five minutes and about 27 clicks.

If anyone thinks a Labour leader would be treated in the same way Johnson is if he or she had done even two of those ^^^ things then they're living on another planet.
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You missed turning up to the cenotaph ***ed, setting off before his cue and placing his wreath upside down. But at least he didn't bow at the wrong angle and the BBC covered up for him by showing footage from the previous year.
 
Starmer gave an excellent response to the Budget in the Commons the other day. It's hardly been reported on or even acknowledged.

He was the first to criticise the derisory pay offer to NHS staff and I certainly think he can gain traction with that.

Plenty of posters on here don't like him simply because 'he's not Jeremy'.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
A pull to the left, fine, but I don't get the desire to purge the centrists (whatever that means, depending on who you speak to) and the 'Blairites'. Seems like an awful waste of energy.
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Well, a document was leaked last year that showed the centrists and Blairites that were paid employees of the party had secretly been working against Labour getting elected. It showed them bullying MPs and activists they didn't like, hiding party funds to only be used by MPs they did like, deliberately not dealing with complaints the party received so that they'd amplified, and expressing disappointment when the party managed to make gains in the 2017 election.

Yeah it'd take effort to get rid of them. But in any other business who'd keep these sorts of people around just for a quiet life?
 
BoroFur said:
Plenty of posters on here don't like him simply because 'he's not Jeremy'.
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If that's partly at me I can honestly say I don't personally dislike Starmer.

I dislike his leadership of the Labour party, because he's not a socialist and he's not very good at the job.

Similarly I didn't like/dislike Corbyn personally. I was happy with him being leader of the Labour party as he was a socialist, even if he arguably wasn't very good at the job. 1 out of 2.

Ideally I'd like Labour to have a socialist leader who's good at running a political party. Can't say any names jump to mind though.
 
Youngie said:
Latest Yougov pol from the 4th March has them dropping another 4 points to the Tories in the latest voting intentions poll. (Conservative 45% / Labour 32%) 3 weeks ago there was just 3% difference... now its 13%

What's going wrong?
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So Youngie is the new account for our 'favourite' Tory shill?!
 
I think you're going to you spend a lot of time feeling disappointed, then @SuperStu .

You want a socialist leader and socialist focused party, but even you admit that the electorate aren't interested in that, and they don't seem to be interested in looking at the policies that would improve their lives (the ones you pointed out, which I agree with).

You still seem to want to fight internal battles from 4-5 years ago and right the perceived wrongs for a Labour leadership that never managed to win over the PLP, and had a huge membership that couldn't make a difference when it mattered, at the ballot box.

From your perspective, what's the way forward, considering we've got one of the worst, most brazen governments still in charge for the next 4 years?

I don't know the answer at the moment either. But as a non-party member who sees an eventual Labour government as the only way to solve the problems I care about, the constant self sabotage among the Labour party is really frustrating.
 
BoroFur said:
Starmer gave an excellent response to the Budget in the Commons the other day. It's hardly been reported on or even acknowledged.

He was the first to criticise the derisory pay offer to NHS staff and I certainly think he can gain traction with that.

Plenty of posters on here don't like him simply because 'he's not Jeremy'.
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1/3rd don't like him because he's not Jeremy (BUT he isn't bloody Johnson, get over yourselves), the other third don't like him because he's Labour.

It's that first group that need to sort themselves out and unite against the corrupt and abhorrent tories.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
From your perspective, what's the way forward, considering we've got one of the worst, most brazen governments still in charge for the next 4 years?
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There isn't one. The way forward was Labour MPs backing the left wing leadership we had. The chance has gone now. That's the trouble with salt the earth tactics. They've won and got the leadership they wanted but now the earths all salty.

Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
I think you're going to you spend a lot of time feeling disappointed, then @SuperStu .
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Agreed! From where we are now I can't see the tories losing an election for decades. The next one is agiven because of the seat numbers. But Starmer's disastrous leadership has likely already lost the one after that too.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
I think you're going to you spend a lot of time feeling disappointed, then @SuperStu .

You want a socialist leader and socialist focused party, but even you admit that the electorate aren't interested in that, and they don't seem to be interested in looking at the policies that would improve their lives (the ones you pointed out, which I agree with).

You still seem to want to fight internal battles from 4-5 years ago and right the perceived wrongs for a Labour leadership that never managed to win over the PLP, and had a huge membership that couldn't make a difference when it mattered, at the ballot box.

From your perspective, what's the way forward, considering we've got one of the worst, most brazen governments still in charge for the next 4 years?

I don't know the answer at the moment either. But as a non-party member who sees an eventual Labour government as the only way to solve the problems I care about, the constant self sabotage among the Labour party is really frustrating.
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"You still seem to want to fight internal battles from 4-5 years ago" (?)
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Remember the PPE scandal? Or when Dominic Cummings did a press conference in the garden? FFS. How about Boris Johnson not bothering to show up for the first few COBRA meetings? Or when he boasted of shaking hands with people in hospital? What about when he was slow to lock the country down not once or twice but three times? Do you remember when he hid in a fridge to avoid a journalist? No? How about the time he stole a journalists phone and hid it in his pocket so said journalist couldn't embarrass him ON CAMERA? Does anyone remember the time they let people go straight from hospital into care homes without testing them first? The 'world beating' track and trace system? Remember Jennifer Acuri? Of course you don't. How about the chaos around quarantining and allowing people to fly out of the UK only to change the rules at the drop of a hat? Do you remember when they put £18bn worth of PPE contracts out without competitive tender? Amazing isn't it, all this stuff. How about when they downgraded GCSE and A Level results and then had to back-track? That was a good one. Do you remember the queues at Dover and the lorry parks? What about when they were forced to scrap forcing non-EU NHS staff to pay to use the NHS? We haven't even got onto the repeated lying in Parliament yet, or at PMQs. Or the £130m spent on PR? Anyone remember that or find it interesting? This is all since about a week before the election, by the way. We haven't even touched what he got up to before became Prime Minister, back when he was sacked for lying and threatening to have journalists beaten up and cheating on his wives and smashing up restaurants and being racist and homophobic. Do you remember when he talked about making model buses? What about the Westferry Printworks stuff with Richard Desmond? It was worth about £120m apparently, back when he was mayor of London. Amazing. It only came out last summer as well, you'd think people on the news would be really trying their knackers off to get to the bottom of it wouldn't you? Do you remember when he said police money was being "spaffed up the wall" when asked about historic child abuse? Funny that, isn't it. Class from Boris that.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, by the way. Anyone could find this on Google within five minutes and about 27 clicks.

If anyone thinks a Labour leader would be treated in the same way Johnson is if he or she had done even two of those ^^^ things then they're living on another planet.
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Add this to the list...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1367844170795212802
 
Foggysfplandiet3 said:
So if the Tories are perceived by the voters to have done nothing right since 1979 why won’t people vote Labour?

Seems to me the only time Labour have been credible and popular was under Blair.
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The answer's in the post you quoted ;). Edit - and just on cue - see the post above, it's all there. Corruption, lies and the gullible. And they voted for it.
 
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Two things going on at the moment which is leading to Tory popularity -

Money for votes - Tories promising and delivering lots of public investment money if you put a Tory MP or mayor into position.

11 million furloughed jobs - paid properly to sit out the pandemic whilst staying safe at home, who wouldn’t be happy with that?

Labour weren‘t allowed a magic money tree but the Tories are.

Hard for Starmer against this just now but let’s see how sustainable these Tory policies are.
 
BoroMart said:
1/3rd don't like him because he's not Jeremy (BUT he isn't bloody Johnson, get over yourselves), the other third don't like him because he's Labour.

It's that first group that need to sort themselves out and unite against the corrupt and abhorrent tories.
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But you can understand why that first group are reluctant, surely? People are quite rightly p*ssed off that people within the Labour Party worked against Jeremy Corbyn when they should've been supporting him. You can say 'Keir isn't Boris, we need the Tories out' and you'd be quite right, but that sentiment wasn't really there in the lead up to the last election was it. Imagine if it was. Imagine if senior Labour Party staff had actually tried to win an election instead of trying to damage the leader of the party!

Now a lot of those people need the help of those they actively worked against... they're annoyed they're not getting it. Amazing.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
But you can understand why that first group are reluctant, surely? People are quite rightly p*ssed off that people within the Labour Party worked against Jeremy Corbyn when they should've been supporting him. You can say 'Keir isn't Boris, we need the Tories out' and you'd be quite right, but that sentiment wasn't really there in the lead up to the last election was it. Imagine if it was. Imagine if senior Labour Party staff had actually tried to win an election instead of trying to damage the leader of the party!

Now a lot of those people need the help of those they actively worked against... they're annoyed they're not getting it. Amazing.
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Pointless getting into that level of infighting though, it's counterproductive, moving the overton window left is the key goal. We can't try but fail to make the perfect society by rejecting a better society.

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