Going from bad to worse for the Labour Party

[JonnyHistory]

How anyone in the working and lower middle class can vote or show a preference for the Tories after the last 10+ years of their rule. They have achieved increases in poverty, widened the gap between the rich and poor and now they have used a global pandemic to enrich their friends. I fail to see how anyone can look at their record and say "that's the party for me" they are useless.

People are fooled over and over and their mouthpieces in the press drill into peoples heads that labour are "weak" or not providing opposition, its rhetoric nothing more. Politics is a long game, Labour have lots of ammunition given the crookedness of the Tories over the last year (lying to queen and country). Timing is everything though, post summer expect heavy pressure for an enquiry and none stop attacks at their shameful governance.

 

[BoroBukowski]

This Government wasted 22 BILLION on a useless Track-and-Trace app with an out-of-date Excel spreadsheet as the backend. It should be one of the greatest political scandal in our lifetimes, but no one cares. They spent millions more on PPE contracts with Tory donors who created new companies with no ability to supply what they promised...

They are utterly corrupt and utterly incompetent. The reason they are still ahead in the polls is because of the volume of uneducated working class c*nts who believe what they read in The Daily Mail and The Sun. One class within this country keeps the Eton lot in power and it is the working class. England is a nation of thick cap doffers. The super-rich have won - they spend a small % of their wealth to control the media and it works like a dream. Over on COB there are imbeciles born in Grangetown and South-Bank proud of the fact they now vote Conservative...

 

[Same_as_before]

How anyone in the working and lower middle class can vote or show a preference for the Tories after the last 10+ years of their rule. They have achieved increases in poverty, widened the gap between the rich and poor and now they have used a global pandemic to enrich their friends. I fail to see how anyone can look at their record and say "that's the party for me" they are useless.

People are fooled over and over and their mouthpieces in the press drill into peoples heads that labour are "weak" or not providing opposition, its rhetoric nothing more. Politics is a long game, Labour have lots of ammunition given the crookedness of the Tories over the last year (lying to queen and country). Timing is everything though, post summer expect heavy pressure for an enquiry and none stop attacks at their shameful governance.

They say the Premiership is not won in January, it's the same in politics. Let the Tory's bask in their current position and then attack, corruption, nepotism, NHS, No of police compared to 10 years ago, stop being so complicated in the media, no one gives a stuff about words like wealth distribution.

 

[HolgateCorner]

How anyone in the working and lower middle class can vote or show a preference for the Tories after the last 10+ years of their rule. They have achieved increases in poverty, widened the gap between the rich and poor and now they have used a global pandemic to enrich their friends. I fail to see how anyone can look at their record and say "that's the party for me" they are useless.

People are fooled over and over and their mouthpieces in the press drill into peoples heads that labour are "weak" or not providing opposition, its rhetoric nothing more. Politics is a long game, Labour have lots of ammunition given the crookedness of the Tories over the last year (lying to queen and country). Timing is everything though, post summer expect heavy pressure for an enquiry and none stop attacks at their shameful governance.

The Tories are good at bribing parts of the electorate.

Thatcher did it by giving the council houses away.

Cameron did it with the tax allowance.

Johnson is doing it now dishing out money here, there and everywhere but in a very focussed way - furlough, small business loans and public spend in Tory seats in the north.

 

[Same_as_before]

The Tories are good at bribing parts of the electorate.

Thatcher did it by giving the council houses away.

Cameron did it with the tax allowance.

Johnson is doing it now dishing out money here, there and everywhere but in a very focussed way - furlough, small business loans and public spend in Tory seats in the north.

You are on the button, they anialate Labour on messaging. We still use language of the 40s and 50s, hammer and sickle, redistribution, it's time we realised that people own their houses.

I would rather have a centralist Labour than a right wing Cabal.

 

[BoroFur]

You are on the button, they anialate Labour on messaging. We still use language of the 40s and 50s, hammer and sickle, redistribution, it's time we realised that people own their houses.

I would rather have a centralist Labour than a right wing Cabal.

And there's the compromise many of us need to make SAB

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Pointless getting into that level of infighting though, it's counterproductive, moving the overton window left is the key goal. We can't try but fail to make the perfect society by rejecting a better society.

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I would agree with you about the infighting. It is counterproductive. But Starmer himself hasn't really done much to get those Corbyn supporters onside has he? Not with the way he has behaved towards him, trying to kick him out of the party. He is the one who should really be reaching out to people who supported Corbyn. But I don't think he has done that. I think the current leadership has more questions to answer on how to build a united party than Corbyn supporters do, TBH.

 

[Jimstewart]

Easy when so many are so easily controlled.

So just the fault of the ignorant masses then?

 

[BoroMart]

But Starmer himself hasn't really done much to get those Corbyn supporters onside has he?

well we don't know if he's had discussions with them or just ostracised them. Who knows, he might have offered the olive branch and they said no.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

So just the fault of the ignorant masses then?

To a point, yes. There is a reason the Tories pretended to be a fact checking organisation during a debate prior to the last election. There's another one people will have forgotten about! They do it because people fall for it. The majority of people see a headline and go with it. If news organisations and tech companies didn't influence people to vote in their favour, in the favour of preserving the status of the rich and powerful, then people like Murdoch wouldn't spend so much money on them.

The facts about policy, spending, voting records... whatever you want, the vast majority of it is available to everyone. But people don't look, for a variety of reasons, and go with what they see in the papers or on the telly or on Facebook or whatever it may be. You can pretend they don't but the bottom line is that they do. And big news and tech companies know this, they manipulate people, stoke people up. The news cycle moves so quickly that it is difficult for most people to keep up. But if you want to, you can. Anyone can.

 

[jam69]

The country is right of centre, and has moved further to the right post brexit.
No matter had bad the tories are people will still vote for them.
The sly racism and islamaphobia plays well to a large proportion of the public.
Helped on by the right wing media who guide the sheep to vote for polices that line the pockets of the top 1% at the expense of those who put them in power.
They know how to get the jingoistic vote out.
Think they have learnt from the Royal family how to stay popular and deflect any bad news story.
The Prince and the paedophile, oh no look at the black American who just simply isn't one of us.
Billions of pounds of cronyism, oh no look at the world beating test and trace system, and the hard work of the NHS "that was us that "

 

[jam69]

Here's another , they have convinced the country they are a safe pair of hands either the economy , when the truth is far from it

The Doubling of the National Debt: The Conservatives Have ‘Spent All the Money’ – Byline Times

James Melville on another big myth in UK politics – that the Labour Party cannot be trusted on the economy.

bylinetimes.com

 

[BoroMart]

Do I need to know what you’re on about? Your post makes no sense

It makes plenty of sense, we've had a couple of posters who have had multiple accounts on here and previous board. They came on to spread anti-labour rhetoric.

You are a new account, you joined 16 days ago. Her you are creating an anti-labour post. A quick looka t your account and we see:

- stating that the Tory development of Teesside Park did not effect Stockton High St, which is clearly nonsense
- Pro Tory stuff on the Darlington jobs announcement
- Defending the government in its failure to understand who brought the Brazil variant into the country
- Told us that there was going to be a significant pay rise for the NHS, then when it was 1%said 5% (barely scratching the surface of 10 years of pay freezes) would be 'fair'.

Tory shill.

 

[BoroMart]

The country is right of centre, and has moved further to the right post brexit.

Spot on, it's shocking how backward and self defeating this country has become.

 

[Jimstewart]

The country is right of centre, and has moved further to the right post brexit.
No matter had bad the tories are people will still vote for them.
The sly racism and islamaphobia plays well to a large proportion of the public.
Helped on by the right wing media who guide the sheep to vote for polices that line the pockets of the top 1% at the expense of those who put them in power.
They know how to get the jingoistic vote out.
Think they have learnt from the Royal family how to stay popular and deflect any bad news story.
The Prince and the paedophile, oh no look at the black American who just simply isn't one of us.
Billions of pounds of cronyism, oh no look at the world beating test and trace system, and the hard work of the NHS "that was us that "

So that’s Labour donald ducked then ?

 

[HolgateCorner]

The country is right of centre, and has moved further to the right post brexit.
No matter had bad the tories are people will still vote for them.
The sly racism and islamaphobia plays well to a large proportion of the public.
Helped on by the right wing media who guide the sheep to vote for polices that line the pockets of the top 1% at the expense of those who put them in power.
They know how to get the jingoistic vote out.
Think they have learnt from the Royal family how to stay popular and deflect any bad news story.
The Prince and the paedophile, oh no look at the black American who just simply isn't one of us.
Billions of pounds of cronyism, oh no look at the world beating test and trace system, and the hard work of the NHS "that was us that "

Great post.

 

[Chris_Boro]

So that’s Labour donald ducked then ?

It's not just Labour.

The only way I can see any form of change right now is if the Murdock news empire does another about shift and denounced the Tories.

It's a sad state we are in that so many are influenced by so few.

 

[HolgateCorner]

So that’s Labour donald ducked then ?

It is what it is, that’s democracy isn’t it?

What the Tories need to fear is that even at their height 55% do not vote for them.

They do not carry a majority of the electorate, just a few per cent decline and they will be out again.

 

[jam69]

So that’s Labour donald ducked then ?

Oh they haven't helped themselves either, childish infighting and some silly policies to name a few, but they have always offered the working classes better options than the tories .
The minimum wage, the NHS etc all introduced by labour whilst the tories opposed them.
Can anyone tell me what the tories have ever done for the working classes

 

[HolgateCorner]

Oh they haven't helped themselves either, childish infighting and some silly policies to name a few, but they have always offered the working classes better options than the tories .
The minimum wage, the NHS etc all introduced by labour whilst the tories opposed them.
Can anyone tell me what the tories have ever done for the working classes

There has been a shocking and historic policy change by the Tories on government spending which will come back to bite them.

10 years of ‘get the deficit down’ austerity followed by ridiculously wasteful ‘blank cheque’ expenditure.

And a real taxation problem looming over the next few years with Brexit still hurting. That’s when the Tories will be calling the complaining masses economically illiterate.

Nobody knows what the Tories stand for anymore.

It will take a bit of time but it will all end in tears.