Gibson keeps the club alive

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MoggasDog

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Everyone is upset; of course, none of us are enjoying the way things are.

I am still struggling with those who think Gibbo should move over and let somebody else in. Yes, an unfashionable club in a declining area running at £1m/month loss; who wouldn't want a bit of that? They will be a queue from the Riverside to Doggy Market of Arab Billionaires waving money at us.

Gibbo has pumped £millions into this club for years and years and, frankly, has raised fans expectations too high.
Those of us who went regularly in the early 80s know what damage an owner who couldnt care less can do.

Some of his decisions over the last few years have been baffling (esp. the Prem season when we got promoted, farted, then left(Mortimer)) but who thinks he didnt do what he thought was right?
IMHO, it has been player recruitment that has been consistently poor for many years with £millions wasted on over-priced bang-average players.
This is the root of the problems we are experiencing now - same as the Mackems.

The money has been put in and spent but on players that, on the whole, have let the club down.
 
Why is the club running at a loss?
What decisions have been made at the club that have led to those loses?
Why are we running at a loss despite a massive injection of PL money, parachute payments and 35million net of player sales in the last two seasons?
Who is responsible for the above?
 
He should stay as owner but should employ the best people for the job of running all aspects of the club properly rather than employing people because they’re locals / mates / a good laugh over a glass of wine / beer. I wouldn’t want any other owner but he does need to get over this blind spot he seems to have when it comes to the football club.
 
El Guapo said:
He should stay as owner but should employ the best people for the job of running all aspects of the club properly rather than employing people because they’re locals / mates / a good laugh over a glass of wine / beer. I wouldn’t want any other owner but he does need to get over this blind spot he seems to have when it comes to the football club.
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This. He needs to employ someone below him and make him the football decision maker. Cos Gibson either doesn’t have a clue or like you say , has some kind of pipe dream where the people employed in important positions at the club have to be in some way affiliated with the club. It’s proven now quite a few times, it’s just not gonna work.
 
I don’t think many want Gibson out I think they want him to get some help in.

And that’s fair enough these days, he’s a busy man not only with Bulkhaul, but the old steelworks redevelopment and the hotel.
 
The club is ‘Middlesbrough’ not Gibson
One day he will move on. We will either get another sugar daddy or, adjust, like the vast majority of other clubs.
 
Mr G needs to bring someone in to run the club with more clout than the clown he has. Recruitment is clearly a MASSIVE problem. We've not signed a player of note in years, and by that I mean a player who has gone on and developed. The academy is also not producing the stars it did or historically has done. Woody lacks something too and needs someone along side him to help him who is experienced and can challenge him now and again.
 
Block21 said:
This. He needs to employ someone below him and make him the football decision maker. Cos Gibson either doesn’t have a clue or like you say , has some kind of pipe dream where the people employed in important positions at the club have to be in some way affiliated with the club. It’s proven now quite a few times, it’s just not gonna work.
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If that appointment doesn’t work out though, Gibson would still get it back with both barrels. He can’t now protect himself from the fans.

The bit I don’t get though is why people are so sure he’s bloody-mindedly hanging onto the club out of spite against the fans, rejecting acceptable offers from all and sundry from loads of really responsible potential owners.

The club has become a massive headache I’m pretty certain he doesn’t need. If he could flog it tomorrow to a Teessider who has the club’s interests at heart and is willing to pay a fair price, he’d snap their hands off.
 
Some of us have been pointing out where our problems lie for years, even when we've been doing fairly well. I've spoken about the parochialism and the self-imposed glass ceiling we have and the longer we go on with the jobs for the boys attitude then it only goes to add weight to the argument.
I don't want Gibson to give up the club he loves, I want him to run it better and if that means relinquishing control of the footballing side then he needs to find someone to do that job for him. If we get the recruitment and playing side right then we'll more than likely start to get the business side right by default.
We simply can't keep restricting ourselves to those with some connection to the club because it's too small a talent pool in which to find excellence.
 
Since relegation in 2009 Boro has felt professional only under Karanka. Otherwise it's been pretty much poor.

Recruitment wise, only Mowbray deserves credit. It was him who brought in Friend, Leadbitter, Adomah, Ayala, Dimi and I'm sure a few others. All have been great players for the club.
 
dooderooni said:
Some of us have been pointing out where our problems lie for years, even when we've been doing fairly well. I've spoken about the parochialism and the self-imposed glass ceiling we have and the longer we go on with the jobs for the boys attitude then it only goes to add weight to the argument.
I don't want Gibson to give up the club he loves, I want him to run it better and if that means relinquishing control of the footballing side then he needs to find someone to do that job for him. If we get the recruitment and playing side right then we'll more than likely start to get the business side right by default.
We simply can't keep restricting ourselves to those with some connection to the club because it's too small a talent pool in which to find excellence.
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Agree!!
 
dooderooni said:
Some of us have been pointing out where our problems lie for years, even when we've been doing fairly well. I've spoken about the parochialism and the self-imposed glass ceiling we have and the longer we go on with the jobs for the boys attitude then it only goes to add weight to the argument.
I don't want Gibson to give up the club he loves, I want him to run it better and if that means relinquishing control of the footballing side then he needs to find someone to do that job for him. If we get the recruitment and playing side right then we'll more than likely start to get the business side right by default.
We simply can't keep restricting ourselves to those with some connection to the club because it's too small a talent pool in which to find excellence.
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We don't need to find 'excellence'. I don't want to support a Champions League club who form part of a footballing conglomerate of clubs represented by a few different cities, whose ownership are slaughtering people in Yemen, and also in their own country for being gay. Appreciate this is just one example, but there are many other examples of football ownership I'm not remotely envious of.

I don't even especially want to be in the Premier League anymore, at least not until the VAR mess is heavily improved, so I think we can cope with a small 'talent pool' of potential ownership from which to pick, and I'm more than happy to wait until that scenario plays out.

But obviously that's just my view, many fans will think differently and how on earth do you keep us all happy?
 
atypical_boro said:
We don't need to find 'excellence'. I don't want to support a Champions League club who form part of a footballing conglomerate of clubs represented by a few different cities, whose ownership are slaughtering people in Yemen, and also in their own country for being gay. Appreciate this is just one example, but there are many other examples of football ownership I'm not remotely envious of.

I don't even especially want to be in the Premier League anymore, at least not until the VAR mess is heavily improved, so I think we can cope with a small 'talent pool' of potential ownership from which to pick, and I'm more than happy to wait until that scenario plays out.

But obviously that's just my view, many fans will think differently and how on earth do you keep us all happy?
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Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there Atypical.

I said I don't want Gibson out, I want him to find excellence by not restricting his staff to those with a Boro connection.

That's been my stance for years.
 
dooderooni said:
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there Atypical.

I said I don't want Gibson out, I want him to find excellence by not restricting his staff to those with a Boro connection.

That's been my stance for years.
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Fair enough.

As I said above, though, he can't protect himself from the fans now. If he brings in a DoF (or something similar) and they don't have a positive impact relatively quickly, its just yet another stick for fans to beat Gibson with.

For whatever reason, the Karanka appointment/tenure was the only one in this last 11 years that really united fans and created a strong connection between fans and club that led to a positive outcome (Mogga too except he had no money to spend).

I'm not saying he should just pick another bloke from Real Madrid's coaching staff or whatever, but he needs to dig really deep and put his finger on a way to recreate that kind of connection.

I was absolutely shocked that he ever thought Woodgate was that guy TBH. This time last year I thought it was just made up rumours by idiots.
 
In my case appointing Woodgate was a prediction based on how I think Gibson's mind works (one made prior to Christmas 2018 if I remember correctly).
I'm like Will Graham to Gibson's Hannibal :unsure:
 
“and how on earth do you keep us all happy?”

By having a plan, a simple one will do to start with, one where

The Chairman does not like glass ceilings
The Head coach has some proven experience at our level, one who knows what he is doing and isn’t a daft lad.
A recruitment team that recruits to fit the Coach's preferred style to enable square pegs to be placed in round holes and understands the components of what makes a good team.
A model that is sustainable, cost effective and capable of winning an occasional football match

Would be a basic start
 
Right now I think many fans feel like we are gazing through a window at a car crash. Disconnected, aghast, shouting but not able to make ourselves heard or to change the outcome. Obviously not everyone feels the same, but we look godawful and unless we have a miraclulous intervention (no guy in blue tights, red underpants & boots hereabouts) or a hell of a run of luck, we won't be in this league come seasons end.
 
“ IMHO, it has been player recruitment that has been consistently poor for many years with £millions wasted on over-priced bang-average players”

Who has employed Gill to run it???
 
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