Gibson keeps the club alive
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indeedido
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Gibson sets the prices, hires the key people, approves the spending.
He controls everything. His CEO and him are consistently poor at driving revenue and consistently appalling at investment and recruiting/ committing expenditure.
The reason the club has done so poorly in the last 12 years is directly as a result of Gibsons’s leadership.
He does continue to ensure the club in its current guise can carry on by increasing the loans within his Group, but these are only required to shore up the losses his staggeringly consistent ineptitude guarantee.
Kenyon gave him advice and Karanka took us up. Then Stupid Stevie went back to thinking he knew it all again.
The last 4 years you would think he was trying to make so many mistakes.
He controls everything. His CEO and him are consistently poor at driving revenue and consistently appalling at investment and recruiting/ committing expenditure.
The reason the club has done so poorly in the last 12 years is directly as a result of Gibsons’s leadership.
He does continue to ensure the club in its current guise can carry on by increasing the loans within his Group, but these are only required to shore up the losses his staggeringly consistent ineptitude guarantee.
Kenyon gave him advice and Karanka took us up. Then Stupid Stevie went back to thinking he knew it all again.
The last 4 years you would think he was trying to make so many mistakes.
Boro Devonport
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Fully agree. Football sold its soul years ago. I'm generally apathetic these days.
Decent_Left
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I attached a pdf of actual income profit of loss and salaries to inform the discussion
atypical_boro
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Fair enough but where? I’m on phone and can’t see it.
Thing is, obviously we’d have to compare Championship revenues for all clubs. Bit skewed to include TV Premier League money.
Caesium137
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Why? Surely income is income. If you don't include it the results would be skewed massively enforcing the narrative that we had less income than others.
The truth is we've had a years premier league income, two years parachute payments and generated what, close to £65-70million in player sales? That's in the last four years, add in all of our ticket sales, merchandise and food and beverage etc. Surely over that 4 year period we'd be right up there for revenue generated? Only other relegated teams would be anywhere near?
We find ourselves coming to the end of that 4 years with a strong possibility of relegation to the third tier with insufficient funds to rebuild the squad to make a fist of even reaching the play offs.
That is utterly appalling mismanagement on quite frankly, only a scale Sunderland have managed in recent times. We laughed at them for being a complete basket case of a club, with incompetent management.
We're not laughing now.
atypical_boro
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Well fine, but over the next 4 years, when our revenue shrinks, when we compare Gibson’s performance against other clubs of similar revenue he will probably fair a lot better as a comparison, as won’t be able to compare him against Burnley etc.
Middlesbrough123
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The infrastructure of clubs now is at a level im.not sure wed survive without tv money.
Traing ground and the stadium arent cheap to run
Traing ground and the stadium arent cheap to run
Caesium137
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What makes you think a light bulb will suddenly go on above Gibson's head and he'll start making sound decisions? I know hindsight is always 20:20, but every decision since the Premier League transfer window has piled failure and problems upon each other.
BBC article from May 2017.....
How do you think he's doing on his claims here?
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"Middlesbrough chairman Steve Gibson says he plans to make changes in "all aspects" of the club after their relegation from the Premier League.
Gibson admitted that key decisions made at the top level contributed to their downfall.
"The fact that we haven't fulfilled our objective tells you we've made mistakes," said Gibson.
"It's heartbreaking really. The season's been really tough. You make decisions and your mistakes are a retrospective view of the decisions you make.
"Our plans are to change all aspects of the club. We have spent the last month looking at what we've done this season, how we've done it and what could be better.
"I've got to be careful because it will affect others who are currently within the club. We have to get it right.
"Collectively, responsibility lies through me and right the way through the club. We failed and we don't need telling that we've failed. It hurts but we have to correct our mistakes now."
Once it has decided on the roles he wants people to take at the Riverside, Gibson hopes his plan will lead to a triumphant return to the top flight.
"There's only one place I want for this club and it's in the Premier League," he said.
"The club is well run and we're in a good financial state so we will have more resources going into next season than any other Championship club.
atypical_boro
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Well fair enough then let’s drive him out of the club and see if someone better comes in. It works for some clubs!
dooderooni
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That's a huge leap to make Atypical and I think you're being unfair on Caesium and the point he's making. For better or for worse, Gibson and MFC are stuck with each other and only a handful of buyers would even consider us as an option with the money owed to Gibson O'Neil. For all intents and purposes, selling the club isn't an option.
Gibsons quotes show that whatever it is we've done since relegation from the PL hasn't moved us forward at all.
You could argue that persisting with Aitor and those methods that were working would have been better in the longer term.
We are at the point now that getting the most bang for your buck is imperative and the comments about the out of contract players would indicate that our squad is going to be very different at the start of next season regardless of which league we are in. Our current recruitment strategy doesn't seem fit for that particular purpose based on their recent performance.
Securing survival and the associated income stream is paramount right now. Only then can we begin to think about what we do with that income and that's what worries a lot of people.
Gibsons quotes show that whatever it is we've done since relegation from the PL hasn't moved us forward at all.
You could argue that persisting with Aitor and those methods that were working would have been better in the longer term.
We are at the point now that getting the most bang for your buck is imperative and the comments about the out of contract players would indicate that our squad is going to be very different at the start of next season regardless of which league we are in. Our current recruitment strategy doesn't seem fit for that particular purpose based on their recent performance.
Securing survival and the associated income stream is paramount right now. Only then can we begin to think about what we do with that income and that's what worries a lot of people.
Caesium137
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I don't want him to go. I want to him to give an honest assessment of where we are as a club, rather than this 'outstanding candidate and financially sound' business. Then appoint someone with a background and track record in running a medium size club as the CEO or or DoF, call it whatever.
A good appointment in this role, would probably have saved us (well Gibson) what, £30-£50 million over the last 4 years maybe?
Choose someone competent, appoint them with a clear goal, communicate this vision to the fans, build all levels of the club around this.
To be fair, this is sort of what was said last year, but Woodgate is never going to be that person and Gibson just lied about the state of finances and Woodgate being the best candidate.
I don't think many people are baying for Gibbo's blood or demanding he sells up, his massive love of the club and massive financial outlay deserves better. But it is him stopping us being better in my eyes with misguided belief, hunches, parochial appointments and surrounding himself with those he feels comfortable with rather than those who might challenge him and be the best to push us further as a club.
Corco65
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Do you think Gibson sits there and thinks right let's see how I can make a mess of things, loose shed loads of money and make the fans miserable?
I think Gibson makes decisions including who advisers him on the basis of what he thinks is best and will be successful and like most people sticks to his ideas and backs them until a time he thinks they aren't or won't work. How else can he do it? Do you want a fan committee who decide everything, who is best to advise him, who the CEO should be, who the manager should be, who we should buy and sell and for how much, who should play each game and what tactics we should use and how much we should charge to watch us. We could even have who should be substituted and when, at least then I'm sure everyone will be happy, won't they? People seem to think Gibson has control over all this, when in reality he backs his decisions and the people he appoints to do them, we know constant change isn't a good thing either.
However there are some people on here (not saying you) who know how all aspects of how a football club should be run, they know best, and it will bring about instant solutions and permanent success, it's that easy.
Caesium137
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atypical_boro
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Well fine, but god help him if he **** up the DoF appointment as well.
Caesium137
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That's the worry!
On a serious note though, we did seem to be on the right track when Kenyon was involved (in whatever capacity that was).
I think someone of a similar ilk would help. Our pockets aren't deep enough to buy our way out of trouble anymore. We need the best people possible in all positions at the club to advance us. The most bang for our buck as someone mentioned above.
I don't believe Woodgate, Bausor and Gill are the best people in the world in their current positions that we could attract.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Einstein once said the number of bad decisions a person makes compared to the number of good decisions is somewhere along the lines of 12 to 1.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I do like how our brief period of success 5 year ago is all down to Peter Kenyon now. 
I don't like that smiley face on the new board.
I don't like that smiley face on the new board.
Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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the Lungs and The Heart of Middlesbrough F. C..
Long may it continue
Long may it continue
