Gary Neville

JM14 said:
Yes it makes him a hypocrite if that’s actually true, but doesn’t invalidate the point he is making

If you are so unhappy that Neville can pay his handful of staff the lowest legal amount then take it up with the people who set the amount
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The argument about what minimum wage should be is a separate one.
What I take issue with is someone who takes a moral stand and preaches on something that they’re essentially doing themselves.
 
gramercy said:
The argument about what minimum wage should be is a separate one.
What I take issue with is someone who takes a moral stand and preaches on something that they’re essentially doing themselves.
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Regardless of whatever they dig up about him, is his point correct?
 
Pembroke said:
The argument you are presenting is not the same. We have laws that protect individual rights. Mr Neville worked for a Country that kills gay people and uses slaves.

In regards to your last paragraph, I would disagree with a point. If you deligitimize individuals because of their age, disability, religion, sexuality or race you are morally inferior.
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You keep ignoring the fact that our government are busy passing laws stripping away those rights. Why is that?
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of whatever they dig up about him, is his point correct?
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It is, but he’s not in a position to make it.
Imagine Kurt Zouma speaking out against animal cruelty shortly after he was playing one a side with his cat.
 
Not sure why everyone is arguing. Is neville a hypocrite? Yep, course he is but it's a low bar, let's be honest.

Does this diminish the message? Probably a bit, but as has been said, he has a voice and chooses to use it in the right way.

Isn't that all that's important?
 
Love the whataboutery about Neville. Of course his message is right. And of course those who disagree with it (for whatever reason) attack the messenger rather than the message. Straight from the Tory playbook.

Come on guys, can't you make a valid point why his message is wrong rather than what he pays his staff (even if that is true - no one has posted evidence)
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I agree with everything he says - he seems like a very bright guy that isn't afraid to express his opinion - However, I think the build up to the world cup final is the wrong place to do so.
He should seriously consider a career in politics but doubt there would be enough money in it for him.
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It's the right place to do so, with maximum audience.
 
sherlock1969 said:
You keep ignoring the fact that our government are busy passing laws stripping away those rights. Why is that?
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That is an opinion. A fact is evidenced based. You have not provided any examples of these laws, or any acts. There are no UK laws that make abuse legal. Could you point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse? You have not. How about any protected characteristic? Could you highlight which parts of the equalities 2010 act makes abuse legal? You won't, can't and still do not provide examples of the laws.

I would expect an adult to be able to back up an assertion with facts. You can't.
 
Pembroke said:
That is an opinion. A fact is evidenced based. You have not provided any examples of these laws, or any acts. There are no UK laws that make abuse legal. Could you point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse? You have not. How about any protected characteristic? Could you highlight which parts of the equalities 2010 act makes abuse legal? You won't, can't and still do not provide examples of the laws.

I would expect an adult to be able to back up an assertion with facts. You can't.
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You are definitely trolling.

It’s not an opinion that the government want to send people to Rwanda with no way for them ever to come back. It’s not an opinion that the government want to make striking illegal. It’s not an opinion that the government want to repeal the Human Rights Act. It’s not an opinion that the government want to leave the ECHR.

You are a ridiculous individual.
 
Pembroke said:
That is an opinion. A fact is evidenced based. You have not provided any examples of these laws, or any acts. There are no UK laws that make abuse legal. Could you point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse? You have not. How about any protected characteristic? Could you highlight which parts of the equalities 2010 act makes abuse legal? You won't, can't and still do not provide examples of the laws.

I would expect an adult to be able to back up an assertion with facts. You can't.
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You’re asking for and looking at the wrong thing either deliberately or otherwise.

You won’t find a law that positively makes something ‘legal’ generally speaking. Laws provide boundaries. The evidence you’ve asked for has been provided but not in the way you frame the question because you won’t see any law that does that.

What you will see is the dilution and narrowing of laws protecting the things you mention. The human rights bill provides a much narrower interpretation of human rights reduces enforceability and makes them so that they don’t apply universally. The Police and Public Order Act effectively dilutes the right to protest to almost zero.

The Rwanda policy just got affirmed as legal.

I can’t help anyone that can’t see these things because they’re clear and obvious.
 
BobendBert said:
You’re asking for and looking at the
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The UK and Qatar.
BobendBert said:
Laws provide boundaries.
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Legal protections.
BobendBert said:
The evidence you’ve asked for has been provided
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Not it has not. The poster did not provide examples regarding sexual orientaton for instance.

What legal protection do homosexual have in Qatar like the UK? None.

BobendBert said:
What you will see is the dilution and narrowing of laws protecting the things you mention. The human rights bill provides a much narrower interpretation of human rights reduces enforceability and makes them so that they don’t apply universally. The Police and Public Order Act effectively dilutes the right to protest to almost zero.
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My Mrs is a nurse. I formerly worked for the NHS as a nurse. We can join unions, we can strike. NHS staff strikes are not zero.

Qatar?

Mr Nevilles points are unevenly crass. We are nothing like Qatar. We are not becoming like Qatar. Mr Nevilles views are of a man who chooses to work for a state ruled by murderous human rights abusers, he is a hypocrite. Mr Nevilles point about poverty while employing people on minimum wage ... Well no surprises he is rich and milking his wheel of capital. There is no moral integrity there. And that was the point several pages back.
 
Pembroke said:
The UK and Qatar.


Legal protections.

Not it has not. The poster did not provide examples regarding sexual orientaton for instance.

What legal protection do homosexual have in Qatar like the UK? None.


My Mrs is a nurse. I formerly worked for the NHS as a nurse. We can join unions, we can strike. NHS staff strikes are not zero.

Qatar?

Mr Nevilles points are unevenly crass. We are nothing like Qatar. We are not becoming like Qatar. Mr Nevilles views are of a man who chooses to work for a state ruled by murderous human rights abusers, he is a hypocrite. Mr Nevilles point about poverty while employing people on minimum wage ... Well no surprises he is rich and milking his wheel of capital. There is no moral integrity there. And that was the point several pages back.
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Pedantry, strawmen and wilfully missing points made aren’t helping you.

I’ve already said he’sa hypocrite but then aren’t we all.
 
Pembroke said:
The argument you are presenting is not the same. We have laws that protect individual rights. Mr Neville worked for a Country that kills gay people and uses slaves.

In regards to your last paragraph, I would disagree with a point. If you deligitimize individuals because of their age, disability, religion, sexuality or race you are morally inferior.
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That's a complete myth about Qatar killing gay people. Absolutely no evidence of a single person ever being executed by the state for being homosexual.
Slavery was abolished in Qatar in 1962. Sixty years ago.
To me your reply encapsulates the false narrative which has caused a huge overreaction to the problems in Qatar.
 
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