Gary Neville

Pembroke said:
Ok. This will be easy for you as you claim the UK are doing this all the time.

Could you point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse?
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Stop moving the goalposts. You claimed there are no UK laws making abuse legal. I gave you two examples. There are more.

You’d have to be a complete idiot not to see that this government of facists are doing everything they can to make their abuse of the general population legal and profitable.
 
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Pembroke said:
Workers in the UK can go on strike. We can join unions. We have rights in law.
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You might want to check what is happening. There are loads of examples of such rights being stripped away in front of your eyes by this bunch of moral vacuums.
Jedi boro said:
That’s utter rubbish

The money was spent and they were getting paid sponsors etc regardless of wether you watched it or not.
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It's not utter rubbish. If you watched it then attack the Qatari abuses then you are a hypocrite. But that's ok. We all are to one degree or another which is sort of the point. Neville has used his platform for a good thing. He is a hypocrite for simultaneously taking the money but if the price of entry is perfection then we should all say nowt.
 
sherlock1969 said:
You’d have to be a complete idiot not to see that this government
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Are multi racial.

sherlock1969 said:
this government of facists are
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So therefore not pursuing politics based upon hierarchies of racial purity.
sherlock1969 said:
You claimed there are no UK laws making abuse illegal. I gave you two examples. There are more.
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Literally you still have not highlighted any UK LAW that makes abuse legal.

They are doing it all the time, there are more .. As you could not point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse how about any protected characteristic?
 
Pembroke said:
Are multi racial.


So therefore not pursuing politics based upon hierarchies of racial purity.

Literally you still have not highlighted any UK LAW that makes abuse legal.

They are doing it all the time, there are more .. As you could not point to UK law regarding sexual orientation that legalises abuse how about any protected characteristic?
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This is probably the most pathetic post I’ve seen on here. Your defence of this government is abhorrent.

And I gave you two examples which you have ignored.
 
sherlock1969 said:
This is probably the most pathetic post I’ve seen on here. Your defence of this government is abhorrent.

And I gave you two examples which you have ignored.
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the entire argument is bizarre, claims to work for the nhs which Neville has been extremely outspoken in defence of the workers who are being ****ed over by the government, yet here he is trying to discredit his argument of fair wages for all staff

Divide and conquer really working out well here
 
sherlock1969 said:
This is
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Again not an answer to simple questions.

sherlock1969 said:
Your defence of this government is abhorrent.
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I make a defence of UK law. We have laws created by Government and democracy. The equalites act (A Labour act) which defends protected characteristics e.g. colour, disability, faith, sex, sexual orientation, race etc against abuse is not an abhorent law.

sherlock1969 said:
And I gave you two examples which you have ignored.
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Could you highlight which parts of the equalities 2010 act makes abuse legal?
 
Pembroke said:
Again not an answer to simple questions.


I make a defence of UK law. We have laws created by Government and democracy. The equalites act (A Labour act) which defends protected characteristics e.g. colour, disability, faith, sex, sexual orientation, race etc against abuse is not an abhorent law.



Could you highlight which parts of the equalities 2010 act makes abuse legal?
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You're just waffling and deflecting now. You keep honing in on particular things to distract from the wider point being made. I never mentioned sexual orientation. Or the equalities act.

If you deny that there is systematic abuse of the general population by the current government then frankly you are an imbecile and I can't help you.
 
sherlock1969 said:
then frankly you are an imbecile
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Another insult. Award yourself a smartie because your debate is childlike. Can’t answer a simple question insult.
sherlock1969 said:
You keep honing in on particular things to distract from the wider point being made.
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The UK is not like Qatar. We have laws and protections the Qatari populace don't. That was the point, I have highlighted laws, and you have failed to provide examples of UK law that legalise abuse to back up your assertions.
sherlock1969 said:
If you deny that there is systematic abuse of the general population by the current government then frankly you are an imbecile and I can't help you.
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Yes I would deny it. We dont have systems in the UK that can legally systematically abuse millions.
 
Pembroke said:
Yes I would deny it. We dont have systems in the UK that can legally systematically abuse millions.
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Then you are living under a rock, and/or are a Tory (despite claiming you are not).

The Tories are busily trying to strip away all of our protections - right to strike, Human Rights Act, ECHR, bonfire of EU laws - you'd really have to be stupid not to see it so I'm going with you just trolling.
 
The bloke is an absolute whopper.

Apparently happy to pay his own hotel staff the minimum required, while he’s busy championing workers rights.
 
gramercy said:
It’s been in the news today, I think someone also screen grabbed some job advert for one of his businesses and posted it on Twitter.
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Disappointing if true.

Also hypocritical if true.

Doesn’t invalidate his message on nurses though. I’d bet this coverage of what he pays staff is coming from the right wing press and MPs.

Attack the messenger to defeat the message is their usual tactic.
 
Pembroke said:
A fool you are.

There are no UK laws that make abuse legal.

Unlike your and Garys friends Qatar.
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Is it reasonable though to make the argument that successive British governments have been complicit in the abuse of millions people, perhaps to a far greater extent than the Qatari ruling authorities have done?
Half a million civilians dead in two illegal wars, fought on utterly false pretences. Assisting in the deportation and transport of individuals despite knowing they will be tortured.
Selling weapons to countries despite knowing they are committing human rights abuses, like Saudi Arabia and China.
The utterly irresponsible way this current government handled the covid crisis, and the shameless profiteering that went along with it.
The state sponsored cover up of Jimmy Savile, probably the world's most prolific paedophile. I could go on.

I know this is a bit of a diatribe, and actually I feel there is much more to be proud of regarding this country than ashamed of...but feck me we've got to stop believing we've got some divine right to tell other people how to behave and that we are somehow morally superior to them. Because we aint.
 
You only need to watch the HIGNFY episode to see how much he believes in the rubbish he spouts. He was called out on there and effectively just laughed it off.
He’s simply raising his profile, and doing a very good job of it.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Is it reasonable though to make the argument that successive British governments have been complicit in the abuse of millions people, perhaps to a far greater extent than the Qatari ruling authorities have done?
Half a million civilians dead in two illegal wars, fought on utterly false pretences. Assisting in the deportation and transport of individuals despite knowing they will be tortured.
Selling weapons to countries despite knowing they are committing human rights abuses, like Saudi Arabia and China.
The utterly irresponsible way this current government handled the covid crisis, and the shameless profiteering that went along with it.
The state sponsored cover up of Jimmy Savile, probably the world's most prolific paedophile. I could go on.

I know this is a bit of a diatribe, and actually I feel there is much more to be proud of regarding this country than ashamed of...but feck me we've got to stop believing we've got some divine right to tell other people how to behave and that we are somehow morally superior to them. Because we aint.
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The argument you are presenting is not the same. We have laws that protect individual rights. Mr Neville worked for a Country that kills gay people and uses slaves.

In regards to your last paragraph, I would disagree with a point. If you deligitimize individuals because of their age, disability, religion, sexuality or race you are morally inferior.
 
gramercy said:
You only need to watch the HIGNFY episode to see how much he believes in the rubbish he spouts. He was called out on there and effectively just laughed it off.
He’s simply raising his profile, and doing a very good job of it.
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Is suggesting that we should detest low pay rubbish?
 
gramercy said:
The bloke is an absolute whopper.

Apparently happy to pay his own hotel staff the minimum required, while he’s busy championing workers rights.
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Yes it makes him a hypocrite if that’s actually true, but doesn’t invalidate the point he is making

If you are so unhappy that Neville can pay his handful of staff the lowest legal amount then take it up with the people who set the amount
 
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