Gary Lineker being reined in

Smogonsea said:
Surely Gary Lineker was expressing his own views as a human being? Not as part of the bbc. If he, as other people have said, aired these views on motd then he should absolutely be ‘talked to’. But posting a view on his own personal Twitter who people can follow or unfollow whenever they like doesn’t seem an issue. This just seems an attack on free speech which is exactly what the 1930’s German government would do.
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Is not as if Tim Davie goes on air and talks about his time as a Tory councillor, but it still gets examined, and probably rightly so.
 
Smogonsea said:
Surely Gary Lineker was expressing his own views as a human being? Not as part of the bbc. If he, as other people have said, aired these views on motd then he should absolutely be ‘talked to’. But posting a view on his own personal Twitter who people can follow or unfollow whenever they like doesn’t seem an issue. This just seems an attack on free speech which is exactly what the 1930’s German government would do.
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exactly that, and so it should be.
 
atypical_boro said:
I really don’t see those similarities, personally, but if that’s your view fine.
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Sometimes it’s the questions that are not asked in interviews, that are as equally important if not more so, than those that are. That will be an editorial decision. Several well known journalists have left the BBC allegedly because of those decisions.
 
I suspect Gary Lineker is currently bulletproof. Anything stronger than vague, nonjudgemental mutterings from management will reopen the Richard Sharp 'Loans for Liars' case.
 
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atypical_boro said:
'm just giving my opinion of what I would do in their shoes, or what I think they should do. To me, if they want to contribute to the general perception of the BBC and help prolong its existence and role in society, they should consider the bigger picture is all I'm saying.
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This is the 'Chamberlain position', appeasement of fascists, I can guarantee those right wingers won't play by the same rules. Well I have in my hand a piece of paper, it says F%ck the tories, Lineker was right.
 
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atypical_boro said:
The impartiality, contractually, IS limited to those. I'm giving you my personal opinion of what I think they should do, I'm not saying it should be written into law.

I don't think Jo Whiley doing a shift at a foodbank is political tbh. Being a member of a political party is perfectly ok unless you advertise it overtly. Peter Capaldi is an actor with no special affiliation to the BBC anyway, it isn't the same as Whiley or Lineker who are long-standing weekly contributors and faces of the organisation's flagship content provisions.

"People need to realise that the Beeb is a monolithic beast of an organisation, and the impartiality clause only applies to those that are involved in small section of it" - you may be right about this but the fact is that they don't. Perception is increasingly important. You can sit the British public down and tell them why they’re wrong and why they should pay their licence fee but they won’t always agree with you, I DO believe a degree of empathy is necessary to remain impartial.
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I don't have a problem with what you're saying. I don't agree but don't see why you're getting attacked for it and I do see the irony about people supporting him (for his views) when at other times they are against him (re. his money).

Capaldo is Doctor Who by the way man, that's bbc flagship stuff!

Also, you said at the end there about a degree of empathy. I think that's what Gary is showing 👍
 
BoroMart said:
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This is the 'Chamberlain position', appeasement of fascists, I can guarantee those right wingers won't play by the same rules. Well I have in my hand a piece of paper, it says F%ck the tories, Lineker was right.
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Hmm ok. Well I’m not sure it’s quite 1939 levels yet but horses for courses.
 
YouAreMyBoro said:
I don't have a problem with what you're saying. I don't agree but don't see why you're getting attacked for it and I do see the irony about people supporting him (for his views) when at other times they are against him (re. his money).

Capaldo is Doctor Who by the way man, that's bbc flagship stuff!

Also, you said at the end there about a degree of empathy. I think that's what Gary is showing 👍
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Fair enough I forgot about Dr Who 😂. Good point.

Gary is showing empathy and I think his views are absolutely fair, I can just see why some may think he needs to tread carefully with where/how he airs them.
 
atypical_boro said:
Fair enough I forgot about Dr Who 😂. Good point.

Gary is showing empathy and I think his views are absolutely fair, I can just see why some may think he needs to tread carefully with where/how he airs them.
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it's pandering to the right wingers though, that's what they want, to silence dissenting voices. Why give them what they want, because it won't stop there
 
BoroMart said:
it's pandering to the right wingers though, that's what they want, to silence dissenting voices. Why give them what they want, because it won't stop there
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Well, ok, but the alternative is that we lose the bbc forever and there are no neutral voices.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well, ok, but the alternative is that we lose the bbc forever and there are no neutral voices.
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It isn't a neutral voice anymore, it's run by the right wingers, they platform the right wingers far more than lefties. They even ran news articles which demonised Corbyn.

atypical_boro said:
Hmm ok. Well I’m not sure it’s quite 1939 levels yet but horses for courses.
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It isn't but 1932 language is being normalised, first from outside the government in the Farages and Robinsons of this world and now from within the government itself.
 
BoroMart said:
It isn't a neutral voice anymore, it's run by the right wingers, they platform the right wingers far more than lefties. They even ran news articles which demonised Corbyn.
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I don’t fully agree with this summary, but even if what you say is true, once the Tories are out on their ear they cannot control it anymore. It may need reform, but not abolition.
 
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