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Tbf, there were actually a few more positive comments that I'd noticed, but a lot of it is still grim reading.

You'd think France had smashed their way past all opposition without conceding any chances the way some are going on.

There was a chump on 606 last night called Tom, who was complaining that England were boring and played "side to side football", and all the teams we'd played were rubbish. He also proudly said he rang up to complain after we'd beaten Germany in the Euros...🙄
 
There was a chump on 606 last night called Tom, who was complaining that England were boring and played "side to side football", and all the teams we'd played were rubbish. He also proudly said he rang up to complain after we'd beaten Germany in the Euros...🙄

I just can't understand it.

If Rashford had hit the inside of the post last summer, we might well have won the Euros and people would still be raging.

It's not specific to England fans either, Argentina seems to have toxic expectations for instance.
 
I don’t really get the argument about how good the squad is now either. For example Sven and Steve had Rio, terry,carragher, Campbell, King, Woodgate to name a few CBs who would walk into this team.
 
Don't forget some posters on here have been highly critical of Pep Guardiola despite him winning pretty much everything in football, its not just Gareth who gets criticism even with good results. As a country i think we a reluctant to praise people who do a good job.
 
It’s crazy

Constructive Criticism is one thing as we saw after the USA draw but you can only praise the job Gareth snd the boys are doing now we are all on the same side surely we all want an England win.
 
Btw this negativity is not unique to the English, it’s largely forgotten now but France at the 98 World Cup were written off and their ad campaign was basically no one likes is we will do it without you.

As they criticised as being too many immigrants and that they weren’t really France.

It was all quite ugly.

This soon changed once they started winning snd is now largely forgotten.
 
Don't forget some posters on here have been highly critical of Pep Guardiola despite him winning pretty much everything in football, its not just Gareth who gets criticism even with good results. As a country i think we a reluctant to praise people who do a good job.
I think there's only one poster whose genuinely criticised Pep.

I myself have in the past said he has things to prove in England. He's proven most of them but he does still need a CL in his trophy cabinet if he wants to be seen as the best of all-time or whatever.
 

France’s triumph on home soil was seen as a miraculous feat, a snatching of victory from the jaws of defeat. Les Bleus approached the tournament with little hope of winning the thing, indeed it was feared by the press in particular that the team would embarrass themselves as hosts.


Aime Jacquet was under fire and an encouraging performance at Euro 96 was the only thing keeping him in a job. There had even been calls for him to resign from the position after the team’s farcical third-placed showing at Le Tournoi in 1997, a warm-up tournament for the follow year’s World Cup involving France, England, Italy and Brazil.

In fact, Jacquet had only got the senior job by default in the first place. Having been Gerard Houllier’s assistant as national team coach, he was in the right place at the right time. Jacquet stepped in to replace Houllier as an interim when he was moved sideways after a disastrous qualifying campaign for the 1994 World Cup.

The team responded under Jacquet, having failed to reach the showpiece event held in the United States of America, and he was appointed on a permanent basis. Being made full-time coach, he was able to make some of the tough decisions that French football had needed to make for some time.

France's national team was in dire need of a complete overhaul. Jacquet switched the focus of the team from the likes of Eric Cantona, David Ginola and Jean-Pierre Papin to the new generation of talent being led by the likes of Zinedine Zidane.
 

France’s triumph on home soil was seen as a miraculous feat, a snatching of victory from the jaws of defeat. Les Bleus approached the tournament with little hope of winning the thing, indeed it was feared by the press in particular that the team would embarrass themselves as hosts.


Aime Jacquet was under fire and an encouraging performance at Euro 96 was the only thing keeping him in a job. There had even been calls for him to resign from the position after the team’s farcical third-placed showing at Le Tournoi in 1997, a warm-up tournament for the follow year’s World Cup involving France, England, Italy and Brazil.

In fact, Jacquet had only got the senior job by default in the first place. Having been Gerard Houllier’s assistant as national team coach, he was in the right place at the right time. Jacquet stepped in to replace Houllier as an interim when he was moved sideways after a disastrous qualifying campaign for the 1994 World Cup.

The team responded under Jacquet, having failed to reach the showpiece event held in the United States of America, and he was appointed on a permanent basis. Being made full-time coach, he was able to make some of the tough decisions that French football had needed to make for some time.

France's national team was in dire need of a complete overhaul. Jacquet switched the focus of the team from the likes of Eric Cantona, David Ginola and Jean-Pierre Papin to the new generation of talent being led by the likes of Zinedine Zidane.
the 98 team and the team that won the euros in 2000 were absolutely fantastic, Stéphane Guivarc'h apart so so much quality, Zidane was an absolute joy to watch. The brazil team they beat comfortably in the final was also full of talent, rivaldo, ronaldo, cafu and carlos.
 
Overperformed relative to our ranking at the 2018 WC, Euros and (potentially) this WC if we beat France. I think he's doing very well.
 
Bellingham is better than Gerrard
Foden is better than Lampard
Saka is better than Beckham
not sure you can say that yet, they're still young and careers can go down as well as up. The signs are very good for them though.

But also.. the players get on with each other, the manager gets on with all the players..
I do think Southgate is the best England manager we have had.
Absolutely agree
 
not sure you can say that yet, they're still young and careers can go down as well as up. The signs are very good for them though.
I’ve said it. Folks can disagree.. I’ve seen a few podcasts with folks still pouring over ‘the golden generation’ - I think this group of players bring much more to the table.

We’re a bit more sensible about things now and not so rabidly over confident.. fuelled by the tabloids and their prayer mats and all that stuff.

I think the womens team have done well to kill the Baddiel and Skinner song too!
 
Bellingham is better than Gerrard
Foden is better than Lampard
Saka is better than Beckham

But also.. the players get on with each other, the manager gets on with all the players..
I do think Southgate is the best England manager we have had.
Southgate has been class for England. He's still learning his craft too, he'll improve. It's no easy task to build something that'll last the next ten years whilst enjoying a taste of some here and now success.

There's noone likes an unwarranted whinge more than a footy fan.
 
I’ve said it. Folks can disagree..
OK, Captain Pedant, I disagree with your point.

I’ve seen a few podcasts with folks still pouring over ‘the golden generation’ - I think this group of players bring much more to the table.
BEcause of the way the team is setup and the way they have a 'club culutre' when with England.

We’re a bit more sensible about things now and not so rabidly over confident.. fuelled by the tabloids and their prayer mats and all that stuff.
When you look at the trophies the players in those squads finished with then I believe it was underperformance not over confidence. They were some of the best club players in the world, they just didn't do it with England to the same level.

2006 in particular we had one of the top 2 or 3 squads there: Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney
 
2006 in particular we had one of the top 2 or 3 squads there: Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney
But it wasn’t a squad though that was the point it was a group of cliques of a bunch of over hyped, privileged prima Donnas that thought they were doing us all a favour by turning up to play for England.

Listen even now to rio and Gary Neville talk about how they didn’t like playing and being in camp. It was toxic and new comers like downing had no chance.

In fact quite often they never even bothered doing that remember gerrard dentist work rather than play for England.

Rooney telling the fans to fk off after the game in South Africa.

Beckham cap hunting and his Harridan of a wife demanding ridiculous conditions.

The dubious tie ins with Arab projects like the palm in dubai.

Gone as well is all the pathetic wag talk.
 
But it wasn’t a squad though that was the point it was a group of cliques of a bunch of over hyped, privileged prima Donnas that thought they were doing us all a favour by turning up to play for England.

In fact quite often they never even bothered doing that remember gerrard dentist work rather h my an okay for England.
They didn't play as a team, agreed. But on pure ability, that was one of the best squads. Now if Southgate was in charge of that lot....
 
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