Fury v Whyte
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Steer
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Unless you are saying that Parker, Pulev, Povetkin, & Ruiz would beat Tyson Fury, then I dont follow the argument. Are you saying that any of those boxers are better than Fury?
Loop
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You can only speculate that he would beat them, it's a bit different actually getting in the ring and doing it. It's like saying Man City will beat all the teams in the EPL, but they don't, they always slip up. It's the law of averages. All the previous big name HWs all have losses, mostly to people on paper they should have beaten, but at least they were up to the challenge.
Alzi
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Im genuinely not sure who’s on the windup anymore.
Fury’s last 2 fights were against 2 of the most dangerous heavyweights around but he’s apparently running scared of Ruiz and Joseph Parker?
I wonder what excuses are wheeled out if he ever does fight and beat Joshua?
“Yea but he’s never beaten Paul Butlin”
Fury’s last 2 fights were against 2 of the most dangerous heavyweights around but he’s apparently running scared of Ruiz and Joseph Parker?
I wonder what excuses are wheeled out if he ever does fight and beat Joshua?
“Yea but he’s never beaten Paul Butlin”
JustTheGent
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Obviously Fury has the better record than Joshua as he's undefeated and has been more convincing. However Joshua has probably fought tougher opponents, well he definitely has in a prime Usyk. Fury certainly doesn't have a stacked resume, but hopefully he can add to it moving forward.
There's also a lot of nonsense spoken about fighters having to retire if they lose a fight. I don't really get that. Why would they? It doesn't make sense. Let's hope we see the fights that matter, let it be decided in the ring - it's the only way to find out.
There's also a lot of nonsense spoken about fighters having to retire if they lose a fight. I don't really get that. Why would they? It doesn't make sense. Let's hope we see the fights that matter, let it be decided in the ring - it's the only way to find out.
TheHolgate
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We are talking about each fighters record. Absolutely nothing to do with if those fighters would beat Fury.
Got it? Probably not.
Uwefuchs
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I've already been through this earlier in the thread.
Joshua's best wins are:
Klitschko,
Whyte,
Parker,
Ruiz,
Povetkin.
Compare that to Fury who has:
Klitschko,
Wilder (2),
Wilder (3),
Whyte,
Chisora (2).
Where is the difference there? You can diss Chisora all you want but the younger version that Fury beat twice was a real handful and I'd put him on a similar level as Whyte, Parker and old versions of Povetkin and Pulev. The washed up version of Chisora gave Whyte huge problems.
Get past the names above and you're then into the Brazeale/Wallin group again which is pretty much of a muchness.
To be honest I dunno why I'm doing this with you because when you're saying that Whyte was beating Fury you're either trolling or daft as a brush.
TheHolgate
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Hang on you decided to change the argument to talk about depth of record. That's what I responded to. Now you are going back to best wins? You were responding to someone else about that.
I'll put this bluntly - You are talking rubbish on Chisora. The Chisora who Fury fought was a loose cannon who didn't train properly, he lost to Robert Helenius(!) in between the 2 Fury fights and also lost another couple before he fought Fury again. Also you see the shape of Chisora for Whyte second fight? He was in his best ever shape - not my opinion, everyone who watched it, including himself. But that is irrelevant.
We were talking about depth.
I'll make this simple for you - Chisora on Fury's record is top 5. If Chisora was on AJ record right now he would be behind -
Klitschko, Whyte, Parker, Pulev, Povetkin, Ruiz to start off with then you can start arguing about the others.
As per my original point - AJ has more depth to his record. It's not really an argument. Even furys biggest fans who know their boxing would accept it.
Uwefuchs
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Casual boxing fans in this country watch a couple of Anthony Joshua fights a year on sky and think he's the second coming of Ali. They listen to Eddie Hearn talk about AJ beating Povetkin, Pulev and Dominic Brazeale and think he's cleaned out the heavyweight division of the 70s.
Right now Fury's record is every bit as good as Joshua's and he now he arguably has better wins. He's the number one in the division and that is without question.
To be classed as an all time great he probably needs a few more names on his record but he doesn't need Joshua any more than Joshua needs him. If they both retired today Fury would be higher on the list of all time heavyweights.
Chappy112
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In one of the biggest robberies you're likely to see.
Probably if you start going down to best 8 or 9 wins sure people might accept that but they'll probably also tell you it's largely irrelevant. When talking about legacy no one is putting Joshua above Fury because he beat Kubrat Pulev so why the discussion about depth is continuing I'm not really sure.
TheHolgate
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Don't disagree, I was simply responding to someone saying Fury has more depth than Joshua on his record.
He hasn't.
TheHolgate
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The issue is Usyk/Joshua aren't retiring right now. Whoever wins will likely have a few more fights. Maybe a trilogy fight if Fury doesn't fight again. One of them comes out of that with some serious credentials.
Fury should fight one of them. Cement his legacy if he wants to be Lennox Lewis of his era. If he retires now people will question it, rightly or wrongly.
Uwefuchs
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I said earlier in the thread that Joshua has a bit more depth to his record but really what depth are we talking about? People like Brazeale and Molina? Absolutely third rate fighters. We've covered the best opponents and there's not much in it.
The argument that Fury's record is poor compared to Joshua's was a valid argument a few years ago but that argument is redundant now.
As for Chisora you can cherry pick fights where he is in or out of shape but he isn't that much worse than the likes of Whyte, Parker and absolutely washed up versions of Povetkin and Pulev.
I've heard the same argument for years on here that Fury has fought no one and everyone used to bring up Dilian Whyte as an example. Now he's absolutely anililated Whyte what does he need to do next? Beat little heavyweights like Parker and Ruiz Jnr? What's the point?
When people are talking Anthony Joshua being inducted into the boxing hall of fame in the future no one will be talking his wins over Carlos Takam or Kubrat Pulev.
Uwefuchs
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Pretty much what I just typed. I think the resume comparison happens when Joshua fans try to downplay what Fury is doing. Now its no stronger we're into depth of resume.
joeydiaz
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Facts
TheHolgate
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No you specifically brought up the depth of the records and that they were similar -
"Ok so let's look at the depth you mentioned. Chisora beat Takam and Wallin beat Brazeale so those Fury wins are at least as good as Joshua's"
I simply then corrected you on why Joshua has more depth to his record.
Oh and Chisora definitely is a worse heavyweight than Whyte, Parker and Pulev. They all beat him.
Uwefuchs
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I'd take everything Fury says with a pinch of salt he talks that much he forgets what he's said half the time and always contradicts himself.
His wife hinted that he'd fight again if it was to a chance to clean up the division. If Usyk wins as expected I'm sure Fury will fight him.
I actually like Joshua and I love watching him fight. For the fans him v Fury is the one we've wanted but if he loses then its hard to see that fight happening.
For Fury it would be great to beat Usyk and then Joshua in a couple of fights, he'd probably put himself close to Lennox Lewis but if he is thinking about retiring maybe he's the best judge of where his body is. His past lifestyle might eventually catch up with him and maybe he doesn't want to go out after getting knocked out by an inferior fighter.
Maybe he doesn't care about legacy.
Uwefuchs
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Ok so Danny Williams is better than Mike Tyson then if we're going down that road.
TheHolgate
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It's about common sense - not one off shock defeats. Everyone thinks Chisora is a level below that 'tier' of heavyweights. Why? Because he has lost against every one of them.
Uwefuchs
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You corrected me?
You've been talking absolute nonsense since the first page of this thread. You said before the fight on Saturday that Fury needs to beat people like Pulev and Povetkin. They are nigh on retired it would be a massacre.
Then you said Whyte was beating Fury when he barely laid a glove on him.
Now we've gone from criticising the quality of Fury's record to looking at the depth of his opponents. Maybe Fury should drag Pulev's corpse out of the nursing home so he can guarantee his entry into the hall of fame
