Fury v Whyte

Uwefuchs said:
You corrected me? 😂

You've been talking absolute nonsense since the first page of this thread. You said before the fight on Saturday that Fury needs to beat people like Pulev and Povetkin. They are nigh on retired it would be a massacre.

Then you said Whyte was beating Fury when he barely laid a glove on him.

Now we've gone from criticising the quality of Fury's record to looking at the depth of his opponents. Maybe Fury should drag Pulev's corpse out of the nursing home so he can guarantee his entry into the hall of fame 🤦‍♂️
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There ya have it 😂 don't get rattled when someone has proven you wrong mate. Just accept it.

Nonsense? I mean you're the one saying Chisora is at the same level of Pulev, Whyte, Parker. Even though he had lost all 5 fights against them. 👏

I was joking on Whyte winning on points ffs 🤦
 
TheHolgate said:
There ya have it 😂 don't get rattled when someone has proven you wrong mate. Just accept it.

Nonsense? I mean you're the one saying Chisora is at the same level of Pulev, Whyte, Parker. Even though he had lost all 5 fights against them. 👏

I was joking on Whyte winning on points ffs 🤦
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Well done 👍🏻
 
Uwefuchs said:
So we've agreed that Fury's best wins are at least as good as Joshua's.

Ok so let's look at the depth you mentioned. Chisora beat Takam and Wallin beat Brazeale so those Fury wins are at least as good as Joshua's. So the argument that Joshua has a better resume is down to wins over Molina and Martin? Its really clutching at straws.

If we take away the sky/Matchroom hype there's very little between both fighters records and thats not including Joshua's two defeats.
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Chisora lost to Pulev and Parker twice, so we can discount Fury's two wins against Chisora too? We can all play that game, but it's pointless. Chisora and Takam are about the same level the difference is that Takam isn't in Joshua's top 5 wins, Chisora IS in Fury's.

Wallin and Breazeale, Breazeale was a different fighter before Joshua decked him. Walling fought a shadow of the man.
 
Steer said:
Unless you are saying that Parker, Pulev, Povetkin, & Ruiz would beat Tyson Fury, then I dont follow the argument. Are you saying that any of those boxers are better than Fury?
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the argument is that they are better than everyone on Fury's record, bar Wilder and Klitschko, because Fury has an inferior CV.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Casual boxing fans in this country watch a couple of Anthony Joshua fights a year on sky and think he's the second coming of Ali.
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Literally no one has ever said that, we don't need to exaggerate for effect.

He was a decent champ, with a good run of wins against proper champs. In fact his wins were against better boxers than Mike Tyson while he was champ. He's lost his confidence since Ruiz 1, and needs to find that old Joshua that wasn't scared to scrap
 
if you look at the wlad and whyte fights alone, fury had zero trouble where aj got in trouble against them both.

Aj beeen managed really well. He’s fought a lot a fighters on the way down. wlad, pivertkin, takam, Johnson, sprott etc. his cv is still good, but when scrutinised it’s actually a little padded.

Up until wilder he had the best resume, but fury has moved his on past aj now
 
BoroMart said:
Chisora lost to Pulev and Parker twice, so we can discount Fury's two wins against Chisora too? We can all play that game, but it's pointless. Chisora and Takam are about the same level the difference is that Takam isn't in Joshua's top 5 wins, Chisora IS in Fury's.

Wallin and Breazeale, Breazeale was a different fighter before Joshua decked him. Walling fought a shadow of the man.
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So you are writing Fury's win off against a prime Chisora because literally the worst over the hill version of Chisora that we've ever seen lost to Parker about 3 months ago. Then you talk about different versions of Brazeale to again discount Fury's record.

You are not being consistent and its really obvious why. The AJ fans on here keep getting fixated on Chisora and are disregarding his wins against Wilder twice, Klitschko and Whyte. You pop up on these threads every time there's a big heavyweight and its the same argument. Bigging up Joshua and playing down Fury, every time there's a result your argument looks weaker and weaker.

We were told that Fury needed to beat people like Whyte now he needs to beat people like Parker. If Fury wipes the floor with Joshua it'll be because Joshua wasn't in his prime.
 
BoroMart said:
the argument is that they are better than everyone on Fury's record, bar Wilder and Klitschko, because Fury has an inferior CV.
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Its the same thing again, none of those fighters are as good as Klitschko, Wilder, Wilder or Whyte. Thats 4 wins equally as good as Joshua if not better.

The only argument now that Fury's second tier level of opponents aren't as good as Joshua's. Its literally clutching at straws to downplay his achievements.

And when comparing records this whole thread is ignoring the massive elephant in the room. Joshua has lost twice.
 
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Uwefuchs said:
Its the same thing again, none of those fighters are as good as Klitschko, Wilder, Wilder or Whyte. Thats 4 wins equally as good as Joshua if not better.

The only argument now that Fury's second tier level of opponents aren't as good as Joshua's. Its literally clutching at straws to downplay his achievements.

And when comparing records this whole thread is ignoring the massive elephant in the room. Joshua has lost twice.
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This.

To say Fury has to beat a bloke ranked 9th, rather than 16th, to make his record look better is plain daft.

As of now, Fury goes recorded as the best heavyweight of his generation. It really is that simple.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Fury would beat Joshua with as much ease as he did Whyte.

Regards Usyk, I believe Fury wins based purely on size. He would know exactly how to use his bulk to bully and wear down Usyk. Exactly what Joshua didn't know how to do.

I also think he will fight him if Usyk wins the rematch. If Joshua wins, I guess it will be a trilogy, and I'm not sure Fury will hang around that long.
 
Yup I don't disagree with much here, just when someone said Fury has as much depth to his record. He doesn't.

Fury is rightly ranked as number 1, his best win is still the Klitschko win. I hope he fights Usyk/Joshua. If Usyk wins he will hold 3 belts and be undefeated. If Joshua wins he will hold 3 belts and beaten every man he has ever fought. So a unification would be huge.

Fury would go into both fights as favourite.
 
AJ fans are like Brexit voters - they just can't admit that they are wrong despite all the evidence saying that they are.

I understand why though - AJ has been marketed brilliantly and looks like a great fighter with his physique. Fury is a porky baldy with a strange style but still runs rings round his opponents.

What showed me that AJ was done was his Ruiz win. He was still bang average but was it was declared a masterclass in boxing. Not much was said of Ruiz partying for 3 months prior to the fight. AJ fans lapped it up. I was getting messages from mates telling me he was now the best technical heavyweight in the devision and Fury would have no chance etc etc.

Then he got shown up by Usyk. He probably will lose the rematch too whenever it is.

I hope Joshua proves me wrong but I've watched him for years and I'm yet to be convinced that he's a better fighter than Fury.
 
Uwefuchs said:
The only argument now that Fury's second tier level of opponents aren't as good as Joshua's. Its literally clutching at straws to downplay his achievements.
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It isn't. Fury has won 4 title fights and is talking about quitting. When compared to any decent champion that is a skinny CV with questions still to be answered. His achievements to discombobulate Klitschko in his own back yard, and to dismantle Wilder twice are brilliant, they can't be disputed, but it's a huge drop off after that.

I felt fighting Wilder 3 times was wrong, it was a waste of his career. If we are all honest fans didn't really have that appetite for Fury-Wilder III. He should have fought Joshua or Whyte at that point, he'd already proven that Wilder was a a fake.

Boxing is a short career, and prize fighter boxing is an even shorter one. He has wasted much of his time in that prime, through self harm and a bit of ego thinking a trilogy against a never was, would make him.

He is the best of his era, but he hasn't done what Lewis did, beat every single name of his era and that will always leave question marks. But that's of his making and his decision.
 
MolteniArcore said:
AJ fans are like Brexit voters - they just can't admit that they are wrong despite all the evidence saying that they are.

I understand why though - AJ has been marketed brilliantly and looks like a great fighter with his physique. Fury is a porky baldy with a strange style but still runs rings round his opponents.
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Bit unfair mate, I've never heard joshua fans say he's the best of this generation. Some of us said he had the potential to be 3 years ago. But he's blown that.

I've also never heard a a Joshua fan say that Fury wouldn't be favourite. It's nothing to do with marketing. It's simply that Joshuas best performances have been when he went to war rather than boxed. Yes he's vulnerable to being hurt, but he can hurt others and Fury has been floored quite a few times in his career.

Most Joshua fans would have him second favourite, but it's heavyweight boxing, he has a chance and a better one that Whyte, purely on size, that's before you get that Joshua has better ability.
 
BoroMart said:
I felt fighting Wilder 3 times was wrong, it was a waste of his career. If we are all honest fans didn't really have that appetite for Fury-Wilder III. He should have fought Joshua or Whyte at that point, he'd already proven that Wilder was a a fake.
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I agree there wasn't much appetite for the third fight but when it came around it was a decent watch.

I'm not sure Fury had much choice though, it was contractual and ordered by a judge. Fury was trying to fight Joshua instead.
 
BoroMart said:
Bit unfair mate, I've never heard joshua fans say he's the best of this generation. Some of us said he had the potential to be 3 years ago. But he's blown that.

I've also never heard a a Joshua fan say that Fury wouldn't be favourite. It's nothing to do with marketing. It's simply that Joshuas best performances have been when he went to war rather than boxed. Yes he's vulnerable to being hurt, but he can hurt others and Fury has been floored quite a few times in his career.

Most Joshua fans would have him second favourite, but it's heavyweight boxing, he has a chance and a better one that Whyte, purely on size, that's before you get that Joshua has better ability.
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My mates must have been drinking the Kool Aid then! It's all they go on about! Joshua this, Joshua that... :ROFLMAO:

They may not be the best reflection of the average AJ fan!!!
 
BoroMart said:
It isn't. Fury has won 4 title fights and is talking about quitting. When compared to any decent champion that is a skinny CV with questions still to be answered. His achievements to discombobulate Klitschko in his own back yard, and to dismantle Wilder twice are brilliant, they can't be disputed, but it's a huge drop off after that.

I felt fighting Wilder 3 times was wrong, it was a waste of his career. If we are all honest fans didn't really have that appetite for Fury-Wilder III. He should have fought Joshua or Whyte at that point, he'd already proven that Wilder was a a fake.

Boxing is a short career, and prize fighter boxing is an even shorter one. He has wasted much of his time in that prime, through self harm and a bit of ego thinking a trilogy against a never was, would make him.

He is the best of his era, but he hasn't done what Lewis did, beat every single name of his era and that will always leave question marks. But that's of his making and his decision.
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If we are talking about beating the best of their era then you're right Fury has more to do to be ranked up there with fighters like Lewis.

That would also be the case for AJ who hasn't fought Wilder or Fury and now the same for Usyk.

I understand that Fury is talking about retirement where the others aren't but all you can do is compare their current records and I don't think there's much in it. AJ might have more depth because he's been more active but he also has 2 losses, he got outboxed in one and beat up in the other.

Fury for me has more wins at a higher level, he hasn't been the home fighter with the home support as much as AJ and his big wins were in Germany against WK and in America against Wilder. He should really have 3 wins against Wilder and would probably have done so if he wasn't the away fighter.

I hope the Fury v Joshua and Usyk fights happen as its the right time. The only thing is there comes a point where you can't keep beating the next up and coming fighter forever because time catches up with you. I remember Calzaghe getting criticism because he hadn't beaten Chad Dawson and Kelly Pavlik, then it was because he hadn't beaten Froch.

If Joshua gets well beaten Usyk and then Fury beats Usyk comfortably then I can see the argument for retirement if he feels like he's getting slightly past his best or losing motivation. He might not be ranked as good as Lewis on the ATG list but if Usyk beats AJ and the Fury beats Usyk I think there's little doubt who's the best.
 
I've said it before on here I like Joshua but he's been boxing for about 10 years less than Fury and it shows in the ring. Joshua is a great natural athlete who was taught to box. Fury has spent far more time in the ring as an amateur learning and developing and its in his genes to fight.

Even if this is as far as it gets for Joshua he's had a brilliant career with his lack of experience.
 
Uwefuchs said:
I understand that Fury is talking about retirement where the others aren't but all you can do is compare their current records and I don't think there's much in it. AJ might have more depth because he's been more active but he also has 2 losses, he got outboxed in one and beat up in the other.
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I'd violently agree, although I still thin Ruiz was very lucky.
 
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