Fraudiola

Feels like this has gone a bit off topic. Surely the debate was "is he a fraud?" which implies he's just a bog standard manager who got lucky. Which is clearly nonsense. What he does is pretty special. No-one else in the world can get a team playing like he does.

Is he the best manager in the world though? Probably not because you need to be able to win tight games to be that and that's maybe where his side's struggle a bit.

Fortunately for him most of their games are anything but tight, they dominate teams. Finished second and still scored over 100 goals with a massively superior goal difference. Without VVD playing for Liverpool might well have been a different story.

As a "winner" he's still to prove himself as the best. But he is unique and the football his teams play is ridiculous. "Fraud" is the last word I'd use to describe him.
 
festa5 said:
Feels like this has gone a bit off topic. Surely the debate was "is he a fraud?" which implies he's just a bog standard manager who got lucky. Which is clearly nonsense. What he does is pretty special. No-one else in the world can get a team playing like he does.

Is he the best manager in the world though? Probably not because you need to be able to win tight games to be that and that's maybe where his side's struggle a bit.

Fortunately for him most of their games are anything but tight, they dominate teams. Finished second and still scored over 100 goals with a massively superior goal difference. Without VVD playing for Liverpool might well have been a different story.

As a "winner" he's still to prove himself as the best. But he is unique and the football his teams play is ridiculous. "Fraud" is the last word I'd use to describe him.
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I actually agree with this. I certainly don’t think he’s a “fraud”, but I do think he’s on a pedestal that he doesn’t deserve to be on (yet), and may never deserve to be. That’s all.
 
Marvanelli said:
It's not just about winning the CL though is it? How can't you see that?

Pep has changed the structure at City.

Just look at the way they play football. Look at how he's improved pretty much every single player there.

Pellegrini could well have won the PL again, but not in that way and not by those margins.

If/When Pep leaves City, he will be leaving them in a far better place than where he found them.
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You can squirm all you want but it was clear when he was brought in his mandate was clear - to win the Champions League.

That’s why Pellegrini was dispatched with, the league and domestic cups were not enough.

Pep had failed to deliver that, it’s that simple.
 
festa5 said:
Feels like this has gone a bit off topic. Surely the debate was "is he a fraud?" which implies he's just a bog standard manager who got lucky. Which is clearly nonsense. What he does is pretty special. No-one else in the world can get a team playing like he does.

Is he the best manager in the world though? Probably not because you need to be able to win tight games to be that and that's maybe where his side's struggle a bit.

Fortunately for him most of their games are anything but tight, they dominate teams. Finished second and still scored over 100 goals with a massively superior goal difference. Without VVD playing for Liverpool might well have been a different story.

As a "winner" he's still to prove himself as the best. But he is unique and the football his teams play is ridiculous. "Fraud" is the last word I'd use to describe him.
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I’d say he’s an excellent attacking coach, but as a manager he’s reputation as a world class manager is richly underserved.
 
BoroBen92 said:
He had the best domestic season in English top flight history in terms of points won and goals scored, and followed that up with an unprecedented domestic treble with another brilliant points tally.

It's moronic to claim he's not been successful at Man City or that he's a fraud.
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2/4 league titles and 0/4 Champions League’s is in no way a success for team a club with those players and finances.
 
atypical_boro said:
Read the Blue Moon message board if you don't know any/many city fans, many of them are judging him in the same way. They don't hate him, they don't want him out, but they do think he has to take the club forward in that competition.
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Many wouldn’t aren’t bothered if he doesn’t renew
 
Pog said:
You can squirm all you want but it was clear when he was brought in his mandate was clear - to win the Champions League.

That’s why Pellegrini was dispatched with, the league and domestic cups were not enough.

Pep had failed to deliver that, it’s that simple.
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So if you're that certain his main aim was to win CL, then why hasn't he been sacked yet?
 
Marvanelli said:
So if you're that certain his main aim was to win CL, then why hasn't he been sacked yet?
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He’s got a year left. If he doesn’t succeed I think they’ll part ways mutually. Pep will want to win it somewhere else so that people can't doubt his CV.
 
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Marvanelli said:
Like I said previously, he's been dying to post a thread on Pep for the last 2 seasons, but he couldn't do it. 2017/18 Pep broke the Premier League record for most points tally and he couldn't post a thread about Pep last season when they won the Domestic Treble last season.

Must've been eating away inside him for the last 2-3 years.
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What on Earth are you talking about, me posting after the Bald Fraud’s latest Champions League failure has become an annual event:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

My first Fraudiola post was back in 2016, and in four years he’s done nothing to prove what I said about him as wrong. The only thing he’s dominated is the league cup, which the top clubs simply don’t care about and would abolish tomorrow.

I stated back in 2017 that Klopp was well on his way to being a better manager than Guardiola, you of course questioned that as he hadn’t won’t the league.

Since then had two Champions League finals, a Champions League title and a Premier League title on half the outlay and a much lower starting position.

Man City
£704m
£184m
£519m net

Liverpool
£584m
£326m
£258m net

Man Utd
£611.5
£184m
£427.5m net

Chelsea
£582m
£484.5m
£97.5m net

Arsenal
£455m
£206m
£249m net

Spurs
£318.5m
£202.5m
£116m net

He’s undoubtedly spent his resources better than Man Utd, but he should be sweeping the board. Domestic/European doubles and trebles.

He certainly should not be finishing 18 points behind and getting beaten over two legs in the Champions League to a team who’ve had less than half the funds he’s had.
 
Pog said:
What on Earth are you talking about, me posting after the Bald Fraud’s latest Champions League failure has become an annual event:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

My first Fraudiola post was back in 2016, and in four years he’s done nothing to prove what I said about him as wrong. The only thing he’s dominated is the league cup, which the top clubs simply don’t care about and would abolish tomorrow.

I stated back in 2017 that Klopp was well on his way to being a better manager than Guardiola, you of course questioned that as he hadn’t won’t the league.

Since then had two Champions League finals, a Champions League title and a Premier League title on half the outlay and a much lower starting position.

Man City
£704m
£184m
£519m net

Liverpool
£584m
£326m
£258m net

Man Utd
£611.5
£184m
£427.5m net

Chelsea
£582m
£484.5m
£97.5m net

Arsenal
£455m
£206m
£249m net

Spurs
£318.5m
£202.5m
£116m net

He’s undoubtedly spent his resources better than Man Utd, but he should be sweeping the board. Domestic/European doubles and trebles.

He certainly should not be finishing 18 points behind and getting beaten over two legs in the Champions League to a team who’ve had less than half the funds he’s had.
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Did you take into account that as city have to pay a premium because the world knows who owns them?
 
GazC_MFC said:
Did you take into account that as city have to pay a premium because the world knows who owns them?
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Hmm, not sure I buy into this point. Clubs sell at a price they're willing to accept, regardless who its from. City's *ability* to spend more has a big effect on the transfer market as a whole but it isn't simply a case of Club X would sell Player Y for £20m but it has to be £30m if its Man City. If a club wants/needs the £20m they take it from whoever's offering it.
 
Klopp joined Liverpool in 2015 and has won 4 trophies during that time.
Pep joined City in 2016 and has won 6 trophies (not including the 2 community shield wins) during that time.

Both spent hundreds of millions of pounds - Klopp actually breaking world record fees for certain positions (GK & CB at the time).....and let me get this right, Pep is believe to be a fraud, yet Klopp isn't?

Sensational. Absolutely staggering.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Compared to city yes
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I don't see any evidence of this or economic theory that would support it.

City being able to pay more can drive Liverpool's (and everyone else's) fees up just as easily as it can drive up City's. Being the club able to pay more is not a disadvantage.
 
GazC_MFC said:
like I’ve said broke the points total in all 3 leagues, quite the claim to say he’s a fraud

Fergie best manager ever, doesnt have the most champions league to his name though
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I see this old chestnut is still being trotted out. For a start, Mourinho was the first La Liga manager to get 100 points in a season. He did that in Pep's final season at Barcelona. Interestingly, the following season Barca got 100 points under Tito Vilanova. Nobody else has managed it since.

Secondly, he categorically did not set any points record in the Bundesliga. That honour still belongs to the team he inherited, which achieved 91 points. Pep then achieved 90,79 and 88 points in 3 title winning seasons. All very impressive, but not an improvement.

Finally, on the subject of goals, Bayern scored 94, 80 and 80 goals under Pep, having scored 98 in Heynckes last season. You would at least expect his all conquering Barca team to have set a goalscoring record but no, that honour goes to Real Madrid and defensive Jose, with 121 league goals in 2011/12.

Pep is no fraud, but then he isn't the second coming either. Like every top manager, he is not infallible but his achievements speak for themselves. Or at least they should do without the need for false claims about points records in three leagues.
 
WilliamMunny said:
I see this old chestnut is still being trotted out. For a start, Mourinho was the first La Liga manager to get 100 points in a season. He did that in Pep's final season at Barcelona. Interestingly, the following season Barca got 100 points under Tito Vilanova. Nobody else has managed it since.

Secondly, he categorically did not set any points record in the Bundesliga. That honour still belongs to the team he inherited, which achieved 91 points. Pep then achieved 90,79 and 88 points in 3 title winning seasons. All very impressive, but not an improvement.

Finally, on the subject of goals, Bayern scored 94, 80 and 80 goals under Pep, having scored 98 in Heynckes last season. You would at least expect his all conquering Barca team to have set a goalscoring record but no, that honour goes to Real Madrid and defensive Jose, with 121 league goals in 2011/12.

Pep is no fraud, but then he isn't the second coming either. Like every top manager, he is not infallible but his achievements speak for themselves. Or at least they should do without the need for false claims about points records in three leagues.
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I’ve must have read that somewhere else, so apologies for that
 
He holds that many records, you may have confused the record he holds in all 3 divisions of 'most consecutive wins in the league'
 
Very good football manager? Yes
The best manager in the world? Maybe not
A Fraud? No

Questioning Guardiola is a fair discussion but he's also done great things if you bother to scratch below the surface of Wikipedia. Calling him a fraud is stupid.
 
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