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Uwefuchs said:
How do you know what his skill set is? Have you seen him working up close?
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So apparently Pep is a boutique football club manager with a limited skill set - yet the biggest clubs in the world battle for his signature when he comes available.

Strange that.
 
Whilst domestically he is King he really has under achieved in Europe for city - he has all the resources and probably should have bagged a champions league winners medal with city by now!

Klopp has taken Liverpool to two finals winning one of them in about the same time period.
 
FatCat said:
Whilst domestically he is King he really has under achieved in Europe for city - he has all the resources and probably should have bagged a champions league winners medal with city by now!

Klopp has taken Liverpool to two finals winning one of them in about the same time period.
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A cup win involves a lot of luck. They get in the position to win it every year but one off matches are anyone's game. To win a league you have to be the best team. To win it 4 times in 5 years, against a team as good as Liverpool is ridiculous.

All the resources means very little when you are competing with other teams that also have all the resources. PSG, Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve, Liverpool, Utd & Chelsea all have similar spending power.

If Liverpool don't win next week then does that make Klopp a failure? Two domestic trophies that he doesn't even care about enough to field the 1st XI until the final? Obviously not.

Cup success is fine margins. The league is the true measure of a team.
 
Totally agree about the league wins.

Even Neville said on MNF a few weeks ago he'd much rather win the PL than the CL and he's won both on a number of occasions.

The CL appears to be the wholly grail because it's a competition between all the best in Europe. But the Premier League currently is the best league in the world with the best teams and over a 38 game season the best team wins it.

4 title wins in 5 years for a 'Bald Fraud' is some going...especially when you look at the competition. This Liverpool team during any other PL era would be cleaning up the league titles with sheer ease, and then the current CL holders - Chelsea - are currently in the league.

Ridiculous dominance from Man City in such a tough league.

Goes to show some of the comments by users in this thread are laughable. No wonder some have gone into hiding.
 
Nano said:
All the resources means very little when you are competing with other teams that also have all the resources. PSG, Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve, Liverpool, Utd & Chelsea all have similar spending power.
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That's a very good point actually. Just look at Man United in the last ten years. They must have spent similar to Man City but are miles behind them.
 
Marvanelli said:
Totally agree about the league wins.

Even Neville said on MNF a few weeks ago he'd much rather win the PL than the CL and he's won both on a number of occasions.

The CL appears to be the wholly grail because it's a competition between all the best in Europe. But the Premier League currently is the best league in the world with the best teams and over a 38 game season the best team wins it.

4 title wins in 5 years for a 'Bald Fraud' is some going...especially when you look at the competition. This Liverpool team during any other PL era would be cleaning up the league titles with sheer ease, and then the current CL holders - Chelsea - are currently in the league.

Ridiculous dominance from Man City in such a tough league.

Goes to show some of the comments by users in this thread are laughable. No wonder some have gone into hiding.
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All I would say is Man City have spent over 1 billion to build that side. Liverpool spent half as much and will probaly win 3 cups and 1 point behind them. Klopp is alot better coach
 
Boro4life said:
All I would say is Man City have spent over 1 billion to build that side. Liverpool spent half as much and will probaly win 3 cups and 1 point behind them. Klopp is alot better coach
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Both teams are brimming with world class players. What you pay for a players doesn’t define their talent

I find it remarkable that Man City have won some many titles as they have with Kyle walker in their team
 
FatCat said:
Whilst domestically he is King he really has under achieved in Europe for city - he has all the resources and probably should have bagged a champions league winners medal with city by now!

Klopp has taken Liverpool to two finals winning one of them in about the same time period.
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of course there is an expectation that they should have won a champs league, but it's always a perilous 'bar of success', because it can come down to just one game with no second chances. 10 league wins in 13 years, 2 second places and one 3rd place tells its own story.
 
Boro4life said:
All I would say is Man City have spent over 1 billion to build that side. Liverpool spent half as much and will probaly win 3 cups and 1 point behind them. Klopp is alot better coach
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No denying Klopp is a world class coach. And he will rightly go down as one of the very best for what he's achieved at Mainz, Dortmund and now Liverpool.

But he's not better than Pep IMO.
 
Nano said:
A cup win involves a lot of luck. They get in the position to win it every year but one off matches are anyone's game. To win a league you have to be the best team. To win it 4 times in 5 years, against a team as good as Liverpool is ridiculous.

All the resources means very little when you are competing with other teams that also have all the resources. PSG, Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve, Liverpool, Utd & Chelsea all have similar spending power.

If Liverpool don't win next week then does that make Klopp a failure? Two domestic trophies that he doesn't even care about enough to field the 1st XI until the final? Obviously not.

Cup success is fine margins. The league is the true measure of a team.
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I think (if i remember rightly) it was Liverpools own Bill Shankley who said men win the league, boys win the cups.
 
I think to make it a fairer competition the Champions League needs a rebrand.

It needs to remove this knock out rubbish, it should to be a league format all the way through and then the winners will be deservedly crowned Champions of Europe.

Trouble is I don't think there is the appetite for such a competition either from the clubs or UEFA, which is a pity as I think the fans would really love a European league full of super teams.
 
Pep has done some amazing things in his time as a manager but i can't put him in the GREAT category until he achieves something that goes beyond expectation. In his time as manager of Barca, Bayern and Man City he has been expected to win trophies with the money and resources and to the most part he has delivered on that. But to be considered as one of the greats i would expect him to achieve something along the lines of these great managers:

Klopp ended Bayern's dominance while at Dortmund which wasn't expected
Klopp took over a very average Liverpool team and has turned them into one of the best teams in world football
Sir Alex Ferguson took Aberdeen from no one to league champions and also beat Real Madrid in a Euro Final. Totally Unexpected
Sir Alex Ferguson nearly lost his job at Man Utd but then turned them into world beaters
Bill Shankly, say no more

Well done Pep and Man City on another league title though.
 
Fat_Dragon said:
Pep has done some amazing things in his time as a manager but i can't put him in the GREAT category until he achieves something that goes beyond expectation. In his time as manager of Barca, Bayern and Man City he has been expected to win trophies with the money and resources and to the most part he has delivered on that. But to be considered as one of the greats i would expect him to achieve something along the lines of these great managers:

Klopp ended Bayern's dominance while at Dortmund which wasn't expected
Klopp took over a very average Liverpool team and has turned them into one of the best teams in world football
Sir Alex Ferguson took Aberdeen from no one to league champions and also beat Real Madrid in a Euro Final. Totally Unexpected
Sir Alex Ferguson nearly lost his job at Man Utd but then turned them into world beaters
Bill Shankly, say no more

Well done Pep and Man City on another league title though.
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If it wasn’t for Gerrard’s slip Liverpool would have won the title in 2014, he became manager in 2015. If the dates are correct
 
Fat_Dragon said:
Pep has done some amazing things in his time as a manager but i can't put him in the GREAT category until he achieves something that goes beyond expectation. In his time as manager of Barca, Bayern and Man City he has been expected to win trophies with the money and resources and to the most part he has delivered on that. But to be considered as one of the greats i would expect him to achieve something along the lines of these great managers:

Klopp ended Bayern's dominance while at Dortmund which wasn't expected
Klopp took over a very average Liverpool team and has turned them into one of the best teams in world football
Sir Alex Ferguson took Aberdeen from no one to league champions and also beat Real Madrid in a Euro Final. Totally Unexpected
Sir Alex Ferguson nearly lost his job at Man Utd but then turned them into world beaters
Bill Shankly, say no more

Well done Pep and Man City on another league title though.
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And don't forget Clough.
Took Derby County from Div 2 mid-table obscurity to the First Division Championship and a European Cup Semi-Final.
Then improved on that by taking Forest from Div 2 mid-table obscurity to the First Division Championship and two European Cup wins.
 
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