Fraudiola

Pog said:
I’m sure when he was given nearly 3/4 of a billion to spend, breaking records wasn’t the aim.

The clear mandate was to win the Champions League, if he fails again next season his reign at City will be an underachievement.

Look what Klopp has achieved with a fraction of the net spend.
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I wouldn’t expect him to win in next year, I believe his tactics are not as fruitful as they once were

I’m not sure he’ll be in charge next season
 
GazC_MFC said:
like I’ve said broke the points total in all 3 leagues, quite the claim to say he’s a fraud

Fergie best manager ever, doesnt have the most champions league to his name though
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Not sure he is the best manager ever. Best English domestic manager.
 
GazC_MFC said:
I wouldn’t expect him to win in next year, I believe his tactics are not as fruitful as they once were

I’m not sure he’ll be in charge next season
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I think he’ll be itching for one last crack at it. Leave now and where does he go? Juve just appointing Pirlo.
 
GazC_MFC said:
who would you say is a better manager than Fergie during the premier league era
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Why only during the PL era, if we’re talking about globally? Ferguson is comfortably the best PL manager ever.

Klopp, Mourinho and Ancelotti have achieved things outside the PL, as well as in it.
 
Chappy112 said:
The standard that he is held to is kind of incredible, shows how good he is really that if you obliterate the Premier League points tally and get 199 points across two seasons, you’ve done ok or you’ve done exactly the same as the previous managers
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You may find this hard to believe but when you are allegedly the best coach in the world with the biggest budget in football history, expectations are very high.

Very few care about their points tallies, because it’s expected after spending that kind of money.

Any other manager that had spend £150m in the summer on top of the £550m already spent, and finished 18 points behind a team that spent a fraction of that, plus a failure to once again get passed the QF of the UCL, he would he clearing out his desk this morning.

I see quite a few on the City forum are actually looking at it objectively, and are calling Pep out for what he is. Many wouldn’t be bothered if he left, he’s not achieved what he came to do.
 
I think football fans are far too dramatic these days, everything is the best ever or the worst ever or a fraud. Since United became Fergie's United when the Premier League started he had 4 seasons where he won absolutely nothing, 2 where he only won the league cup, no one thinks or thought that Ferguson is a fraud.

Just relax, Pep is one of the best managers in the world, his record speaks for itself.
 
Chappy112 said:
I think football fans are far too dramatic these days, everything is the best ever or the worst ever or a fraud. Since United became Fergie's United when the Premier League started he had 4 seasons where he won absolutely nothing, 2 where he only won the league cup, no one thinks or thought that Ferguson is a fraud.

Just relax, Pep is one of the best managers in the world, his record speaks for itself.
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He is ONE of the best. The debate, since he left Barcelona, has been that he is THE best, and he just hasn’t proved that at all yet.
 
Pog said:
You may find this hard to believe but when you are allegedly the best coach in the world with the biggest budget in football history, expectations are very high.

Very few care about their points tallies, because it’s expected after spending that kind of money.

Any other manager that had spend £150m in the summer on top of the £550m already spent, and finished 18 points behind a team that spent a fraction of that, plus a failure to once again get passed the QF of the UCL, he would he clearing out his desk this morning.

I see quite a few on the City forum are actually looking at it objectively, and are calling Pep out for what he is. Many wouldn’t be bothered if he left, he’s not achieved what he came to do.
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So I assume you were thinking Fergie should have been sacked in 01/02 when he spent £80m, a fortune back then and finished 3rd, 10 points behind Arsenal who spent less than half of that?

Like I said, calm down.
 
Chappy112 said:
So I assume you were thinking Fergie should have been sacked in 01/02 when he spent £80m, a fortune back then and finished 3rd, 10 points behind Arsenal who spent less than half of that?

Like I said, calm down.
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Comical comparison.

Ferguson built Man Utd into what they are today.

Pep was parachute into an already successful club and was given 3/4 billion.
 
Chappy112 said:
The debate here is that he's a fraud, 2 totally different things.
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Ok. Well I think the term “Fraudiola” is meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. I don’t think anyone thinks he is a terrible coach. But for years, certain cohorts have asserted that he is THE best manager in world football, yet he can’t win the CL at clubs with bottomless pits of money. Even Ancelotti and Mourinho have won it at more than one club, both now managing smaller clubs in the PL.

Like it or not, they’ll always have that over him. They’ll have it over Ferguson too.
 
Pog said:
Comical comparison.

Ferguson built Man Utd into what they are today.

Pep was parachute into an already successful club and was given 3/4 billion.
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So it's okay to fail while spending a fortune as long as you made the club massive 15 years earlier?
 
atypical_boro said:
He is ONE of the best. The debate, since he left Barcelona, has been that he is THE best, and he just hasn’t proved that at all yet.
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That’s it his fan boys have always claimed he’s THE best, now he’s been found wanting again they’ve quietly shifted it to ONE of the best.

I don’t even think he’s one of the best in all honesty. He exists in a Harlem Globetrotters field where he’ll only come into already successful clubs with the best players, biggest transfer budgets and wage bills.

He couldn’t do what Klopp has done at Liverpool on that budget.

He couldn’t do Dyche has done at Burnley, he can’t organise a defence.

He couldn’t do what Ranieri did with Leicester.

He couldn’t do what Mourinho did with Porto, he knows one way of playing.
 
Chappy112 said:
So it's okay to fail while spending a fortune as long as you made the club massive 15 years earlier?
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If you’ve been a very successful manager at a club for 15 years you’re entitled to the odd bad season.

If you’ve come into an already successful club with the biggest budget in the history of football, and fail to meet your top two targets you should be sacked.
 
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