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I had my doubts he’d succeed at City. He didn’t really prove anything at BM. Then he started slowly here, and got better in his second and third seasons. They were very good in those seasons.

Had he sacrificed the league this season but made up for with CL, everyone would say he’d succeeded. He really only has one last season left to do that, because if he doesn’t win it next season, after 5 attempts, he needs sacking anyway regardless of his contract being up. 2 PL titles in his time here is nowhere near enough to save his legacy outside of Barca.

Big season for him, make or break time.
 
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Cardiffdaffs said:
But why should they have “walked it”. This was also the line by Chris Latchem on R5 Live. The bigger test will come against Bayern He said totally dismissing Lyon.

FFS City lost to Norwich this season. They have no god given right to win football matches.
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What I meant by that is they are what I would class “super” spenders. They pay wages out of this world. Their results in premier league don’t match that. The amount of money they have spent, the wages they pay.... they should be winning that game.

Take boro v tranmere league cup 1/4 final. A game that seems to get forget about in our worst results. We should be winning that game.

I know freak results happen and upsets which makes the game great. But Man City have failed consistently this season
 
Anyone can beat anyone on a given night, particularly in the CL.
I didn't see the first 75 minutes, but apparently City were just not clicking and Lyon were dealing with them quite well.
That 60 second spell from Stirling missing to the incorrectly given Lyon goal defined the match and City's season.
Just like with Barca the night before, the defences create their own problems more often than not. If you have a team intent in attacking then you need at least one outstanding defender and City simply haven't been able to replace Kompany.
 
atypical_boro said:
If he leaves City with 2 titles out of 5 years, and no European semis, that’s a really mediocre spell at a club with a bottomless pit of money. In fact it would be outright poor.
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I think this season proves that his methods have exhausted, like most top manager methods people switch onto it. Something else evolves in the game that makes a certain tactic not be as good

doesn’t make him a fraud if his methods have become outdated. For 10 years it was really successful and he broke records

I also think he has a tendency to overthink the big games. Last night proved that, thought about the opposition rather than focusing on own strengths

fergie in a league of his own during the premier league era
 
GazC_MFC said:
I think this season proves that his methods have exhausted, like most top manager methods people switch onto it. Something else evolves in the game that makes a certain tactic not be as good

doesn’t make him a fraud if his methods have become outdated. For 10 years it was really successful and he broke records

I also think he has a tendency to overthink the big games. Last night proved that, thought about the opposition rather than focusing on own strengths

fergie in a league of his own during the premier league era
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I wouldn’t call him a fraud as such, but if that’s what he leaves City with, having not done anything remarkable at BM, then there is a big question mark over whether he should be seen as one of the best ever. He did well at Barca but we all know he took over a great side from Rijkaard, and since then he’s had that season at City where they walked it and a domestic treble. Doesn’t put him in the category of “best of all time” to me though. He was hired by City to win the CL, there is just no doubt about that, and he has one year left to achieve it.
 
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atypical_boro said:
I wouldn’t call him a fraud as such, but if that’s what he leaves City with, having not done anything remarkable at BM, then there is a big question mark over whether he should be seen as one of the best ever. He did well at Barca but we all know he took over a great side from Rijkaard, and since then he’s had that season at City where they walked it and a domestic treble. Doesn’t put him in the category of “best of all time” to me though. He was hired by City win the CL, there is just no doubt about that, and he has one year left to achieve it.
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Domestically he’s one of the best. His records prove that. Top points tally in all divisions he’s managed

you not only need to be good but you also need luck to win the champions league

add the fact that pep tends to overthink it And seems to have chink in his armour in that respect, then gives a bit of an understanding why he hasn’t got the champions league with the last 2.

zidane isn’t a brilliant manage yet he’s got 3 cl by his name, which shows you about the luck element
 
GazC_MFC said:
Domestically he’s one of the best. His records prove that. Top points tally in all divisions he’s managed

you not only need to be good but you also need luck to win the champions league

add the fact that pep tends to overthink it And seems to have chink in his armour in that respect, then gives a bit of an understanding why he hasn’t got the champions league with the last 2.

zidane isn’t a brilliant manage yet he’s got 3 cl by his name, which shows you about the luck element
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Domestically in England he’s been ok so far, he’s had a poor season this season and so was his first. 2 very good ones in the middle no doubt.

In Germany he proved nothing, domestically. He went there to win the CL, taking over them as champions and didn’t win it.

There are managers out there who’ve been able to achieve groundbreaking things with more than one club, or keep their club top of the tree for years and years. Pep’s not done either and that’s why his legacy hinges on next season. If he wins the CL next season his legacy will remain intact. If he doesn’t, they can’t afford to give him yet another chance. And I can’t really see who his next club will be.
 
atypical_boro said:
Domestically in England he’s been ok so far, he’s had a poor season this season and so was his first. 2 very good ones in the middle no doubt.

In Germany he proved nothing, domestically. He went there to win the CL, taking over them as champions and didn’t win it.

There are managers out there who’ve been able to achieve groundbreaking things with more than one club, or keep their club top of the tree for years and years. Pep’s not done either and that’s why his legacy hinges on next season. If he wins the CL next season his legacy will remain intact. If he doesn’t, they can’t afford to give him yet another chance. And I can’t really see who his next club will be.
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Pep has the set the records points tally at all 3 clubs, to me you can file that under groundbreaking

You can’t just win the champions league with the best team etc. You need some luck.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Pep has the set the records points tally at all 3 clubs, to me you can file that under groundbreaking

You can’t just win the champions league with the best team etc. You need some luck.
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Well it says that once his teams click, they tend to click very well.

But he had the objective of winning the CL at both BM and City, not breaking domestic points tallies. You do need some luck, but there are managers who are deemed worse than him by most, who’ve managed to achieve that feat (with worse teams/much less resources).

No one would doubt Pep is a better manager than Mourinho at present, I don’t think, (Jose has been a bit found out), but if you look at their CVs and they both retired tomorrow, Jose’s is every bit as impressive. You could argue that Klopp is above them both now, although he has to win a few more things for his career CV to overtake theirs.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Pep has the set the records points tally at all 3 clubs, to me you can file that under groundbreaking

You can’t just win the champions league with the best team etc. You need some luck.
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Sounds like excuses to me.

He was brought in to win the UCL, Mancini and Pelligrini both did well domestically.

Not only has he failed to deliver that, he hasn’t even got passed the quarter finals in four attempts.

£700m spent to do what the previous managers had already done, just in a prettier style. Hot off the heals of failing to achieve similar in Germany.

I thought this bloke was meant to be the best coach in world football?
 
Pog said:
Sounds like excuses to me.

He was brought in to win the UCL, Mancini and Pelligrini both did well domestically.

Not only has he failed to deliver that, he hasn’t even got passed the quarter finals in four attempts.

£700m spent to do what the previous managers had already done, just in a prettier style. Hot off the heals of failing to achieve similar in Germany.

I thought this bloke was meant to be the best coach in world football?
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like I’ve said broke the points total in all 3 leagues, quite the claim to say he’s a fraud

Fergie best manager ever, doesnt have the most champions league to his name though
 
GazC_MFC said:
like I’ve said broke the points total in all 3 leagues, quite the claim to say he’s a fraud

Fergie best manager ever, doesnt have the most champions league to his name though
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I’m sure when he was given nearly 3/4 of a billion to spend, breaking records wasn’t the aim.

The clear mandate was to win the Champions League, if he fails again next season his reign at City will be an underachievement.

Look what Klopp has achieved with a fraction of the net spend.
 
The standard that he is held to is kind of incredible, shows how good he is really that if you obliterate the Premier League points tally and get 199 points across two seasons, you’ve done ok or you’ve done exactly the same as the previous managers.

The Champions League has always been very difficult to win, Ferguson won it twice in all his years in management, it’s not something you just win. But like I said, that it is almost expected of Pep and anything less is unacceptable then it shows how good he is.
 
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