Football fans must be double jabbed to enter stadiums

SmallTown said:
You know what I mean!
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If you think the concourse requires such restrictions then pubs and restaurants should too. We'd be talking about allowing people into nightclubs in town but not get something to eat or drink at the football, it would make no sense whatsoever.
 
Primus84 said:
If pubs are allowed to open without restrictions or masks then why would the concourse not be allowed to have its outlets open?
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Perhaps they won't?

If we are hit by another variant going into winter, I'm just saying it might be possible to keep the stadiums open with closed concourses? It is one of those things that could be done to limit transmission whilst maintaining some social and commercial activity. It's just a suggestion.

As stated above I think we are unlikely to see a requirement for "Vaccine Passports" but it might mean we need some restrictions as an alternative? What you have to remember is that it doesn't have to be logical in a comparative sense it is just a way to reduce or eliminate a possible source of transmission. It is like the argument of opening shops but not pubs. No real difference between transmission rates in either but opening both increases transmission as compared to opening just one because you have person to person contact in more places.
 
Muttley said:
Perhaps they won't?

If we are hit by another variant going into winter, I'm just saying it might be possible to keep the stadiums open with closed concourses? It is one of those things that could be done to limit transmission whilst maintaining some social and commercial activity. It's just a suggestion.

As stated above I think we are unlikely to see a requirement for "Vaccine Passports" but it might mean we need some restrictions as an alternative? What you have to remember is that it doesn't have to be logical in a comparative sense it is just a way to reduce or eliminate a possible source of transmission. It is like the argument of opening shops but not pubs. No real difference between transmission rates in either but opening both increases transmission as compared to opening just one because you have person to person contact in more places.
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I think we’ve seen what happens to fans attending football games if greater restrictions apply. Stadiums simply won’t be open. It’s also difficult for clubs in terms of match day revenue - if stadiums are open then they need them to be able to sell food and drink.

If fans are allowed to attend and pubs and clubs are open then I simply cannot see it being either a. justified or b. acceptable to the public that such a restriction be put in place - it really would make zero sense - I can stay in a pub all day drinking but I can’t buy anything to eat or drink for the couple of hours I’m at the stadium?

If we’re at a point where restrictions are needed again then I can see sporting events being amongst the first things to go - they involve large numbers of people all travelling to the same place with increased use of public transport etc.
 
Primus84 said:
Stadiums simply won’t be open. It’s also difficult for clubs in terms of match day revenue - if stadiums are open then they need them to be able to sell food and drink.
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Sorry, I don't buy that. I cannot imagine that the revenue from food/drink/betting is that mush of a game changer. If I'm spending £30 to get into the stadium I doubt that I spend more than a tenner at most on the concourse and out of that tenner the club has to pay for the drink and grot burger, store, cook and/or refrigerate it and employ a youth to flog me it. How much of that tenner is profit? Two maybe three quid? And not everyone buys anything in the stadium at all. Of course it makes a difference but unlike a pub or a restaurant it isn't the main or sole revenue stream.
 
Muttley said:
Sorry, I don't buy that. I cannot imagine that the revenue from food/drink/betting is that mush of a game changer. If I'm spending £30 to get into the stadium I doubt that I spend more than a tenner at most on the concourse and out of that tenner the club has to pay for the drink and grot burger, store, cook and/or refrigerate it and employ a youth to flog me it. How much of that tenner is profit? Two maybe three quid? And not everyone buys anything in the stadium at all. Of course it makes a difference but unlike a pub or a restaurant it isn't the main or sole revenue stream.
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Clubs like ours can ill afford to give up any revenue/profit. Every little helps.

Obviously none of us have the figures in front of us but I'd be surprised if they were making so little for every £10 spent.

This article demonstrates just how much revenue could be available.
 
Primus84 said:
Clubs like ours can ill afford to give up any revenue/profit. Every little helps.

Obviously none of us have the figures in front of us but I'd be surprised if they were making so little for every £10 spent.

This article demonstrates just how much revenue could be available.
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The loss based on 19/20 attendances can not be right, I only looked at Boro’s mind. It seems to assume everyone would buy a pie and pint and only a 22 home game season for a start. As for the loss based on 0% attendance, I could not be bothered to work out how they calculated those totalsalthough it can’t be ruled out until the attacker is hopefully caught and dealt with by the justice system.
 
Northerner said:
Possible update?

Quarantine for Britons vaccinated abroad to be dropped
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Article states:
He said: “By the end of this month, UK nationals who have been vaccinated overseas will be able to talk to their GP, go through what vaccine they have had, and have it registered with the NHS that they have been vaccinated.”
Zahawi said that GPs would vet whether the jabs have been approved for use in the UK and that there will be coordination between the World Health Organization and other regulators including those in the United States and European Union.

The season will be long over before you ever get a chance to speak to a GP. Don't the Government think the have enough on their plate already.
 
asredastheycome said:
The season will be long over before you ever get a chance to speak to a GP. Don't the Government think the have enough on their plate already.
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I sincerely hope not. My wife and I are both over 65 and need to register with a NHS GP. Just waiting for the results of the day 5 test & release test before trying to get an appointment.
 
Aet290204 said:
Hand on heart I can honestly say it doesn’t bother me. If your soppy enough to not want to get jabbed it’s not my problem.
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It bothers me, I'd very much prefer to know the risk of me passing it on to someone I sit next to is as low a risk as possible. Similarly someone passing it to me, and a double vax is the most effective means outside of a lockdown that would help prevent either party getting covid and mitigate/minimise the effects if either did
 
Artie Fufkin said:
It bothers me, I'd very much prefer to know the risk of me passing it on to someone I sit next to is as low a risk as possible. Similarly someone passing it to me, and a double vax is the most effective means outside of a lockdown that would help prevent either party getting covid and mitigate/minimise the effects if either did
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Good for you.
I’m surprised some people get out of bed in the morning.
 
Aet290204 said:
If your soppy enough to not want to get jabbed it’s not my problem.
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I'm sure in the situation you find yourself in it seems trivial but vaccination is our best route back to "normality! And it matters on a "society" level. There wil always be some who cannot be vaccinated and the way to protect them is to have the vaccine. As I said before I believe that there are very few "anti Vaxxers" who will refuse the vaccine it is more people who are not bothering that we need to use psychological incentives (carrots and sticks) to maximise take up.
 
Well, I don't see the problem with this. Obviously the detail and logistics need to be fleshed out, which is probably why it's back until October. Also, providing those unable to get the vaccine and underage are all catered for then bring it on.

I have no time for foil hat wearing anti-vaxers or the obnoxious refusnik @rseholes who stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated, despite all the evidence showing the benefit to both the individual and the country as a whole. It's the vaccine that is allowing the opening up and the return to some level of normality, including football etc.

If you don't want to have the vaccine that's your choice but don't moan if it means you're excluded from some aspects of normal society that are only available now because 10's of millions of people have decided to get vaccinated.

As for testing, if that is allowed for entry, then fine but this should be paid for by the unvaccinated individual (as per getting a flight) and should not be "free" (i.e.. paid for by the tax payer). The vaccine is paid for by our taxes and is free for everyone. Your choice.
 
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