breakthewallsdown
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I see the twitter tories have changed their weekly quote from 'big calls right' to 'lefty lawyers'
First Rwanda flight leaving today
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The Ruthsayer
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It has never been part of GB. 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. I know that looks like pedantry, but correct terminology is essential here.
“ Human Rights – 1998
Along with reaffirming a commitment to human rights in the Good Friday Agreement, parties agreed to change legislation in the UK to incorporate the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) of the Northern Ireland Act (1998). The Northern Ireland Act of 1998 also provided for the establishment of the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission. After the approval of the agreement in the referendum, The Northern Ireland Act (1998) guaranteed the establishment of the ECHR in Northern Ireland.
Human Rights – 1999
The ECHR became effective on 2 December 1999, after the establishment of the Northern Ireland Executive on 29 November 1999.1
Also, the British government committed to a new statutory Equality Commission to replace the Fair Employment Commission, the Equal Opportunities Commission (NI), the Commission for Racial Equality (NI), and the Disability Council. The establishment of the Equality Commission was provided for in the Northern Ireland Act (1998). The commission finally came into existence on 1 March 19992“The Good Friday Agreement: Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission,” BBC News, May 2006, accessed January 21, 2013, http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/schools/agreement/equality/hr2.shtm… became operational on 1 September 1999.3“The Good Friday Agreement: Equality Commission for Northern Ireland,” BBC News, May 2006, accessed January 21, 2013, http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/schools/agreement/equality/equality…”
Along with reaffirming a commitment to human rights in the Good Friday Agreement, parties agreed to change legislation in the UK to incorporate the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) of the Northern Ireland Act (1998). The Northern Ireland Act of 1998 also provided for the establishment of the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission. After the approval of the agreement in the referendum, The Northern Ireland Act (1998) guaranteed the establishment of the ECHR in Northern Ireland.
Human Rights – 1999
The ECHR became effective on 2 December 1999, after the establishment of the Northern Ireland Executive on 29 November 1999.1
Also, the British government committed to a new statutory Equality Commission to replace the Fair Employment Commission, the Equal Opportunities Commission (NI), the Commission for Racial Equality (NI), and the Disability Council. The establishment of the Equality Commission was provided for in the Northern Ireland Act (1998). The commission finally came into existence on 1 March 19992“The Good Friday Agreement: Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission,” BBC News, May 2006, accessed January 21, 2013, http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/schools/agreement/equality/hr2.shtm… became operational on 1 September 1999.3“The Good Friday Agreement: Equality Commission for Northern Ireland,” BBC News, May 2006, accessed January 21, 2013, http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/schools/agreement/equality/equality…”
The Ruthsayer
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Your prerogative Corco, of course. I was merely replying with what I thought were relevant facts.
Unravel_Morrison
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I think they've got this one wrong actually.
I don't think they've won a single vote from this.
I think they've probably lost votes as they haven't been able to achieve what they set out to and made a huge deal of achieving. There's only so many times they can blame others for not being able to fulfil their own proposals.
NYboro
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Whataboutery in the extreme - no-one is trying to say that the US is any better. I spent 21 years in New York and am glad to be home, even with the shîtshow of this government and Brexit.
TeessideCleveland
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Maybe they will try and spin this situation as them standing up for the UK population (the ones they're after the votes of)I cringe when I hear elected officials stating that”woke lefty’ lawyers are stopping the process…
The flight delays can be turned into a useful electoral tool to gain votes in Brexit voting/ex-red wall areas - 'lefties/Labour opposing this' etc
American_Mary
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In June 1940 the then Head of the Jewish department of the German Foreign Office, Franz Rademacher came up with what was known as the Madagascar Plan, this was a scheme to deport millions of Jews from Europe to Madagascar to self govern as part of a German satellite state, Heydrich and Eichmann then proposed amendments to the plan which would lead to Madagascar being used as huge labour camp under the control of the SS, the Battle of Britain delayed the execution of this plan and the Royal Navy created a naval blockade which further spoked the Nazi wheel.
The relevance is that once you start going down routes like deportation as a fix to a problem that this method will obviously fail to fix you open up a Pandora's box of judgement based the real ideology behind the policy.
The Madagascar Plan was sold as a chance of Jewish self governance to the Jews and as a removal of a cancer to the Germans its ultimate purpose the removal of all Jews from Europe by 1945, what's the end game of the Rwandan policy ?
I'm surprised the plane didn't fly, even empty, during the Miner's strike empty buses would break pickets to give the impression that Miner's were returning to work and create divisions and suspicions that all was not as it seemed, when the drivers told the striking miners the buses were empty, Thatcher paid prisoners to be taken by the Police to pick up points where they were taken into the mines and create the impression that the strike was broken.
Rwanda is a scare policy, an attempt to show how tough this Government is, how it will take extreme measures to meet its ends, how perception is more important than execution and practicality, it's a pander to the empty vessel, increased volume, racist minority that sadly still exists in this country and others in 2022, the solution is a change to asylum policy to allow remote application, safe passage once approval is met and the realisation that making legal application much easier makes illegal entry much harder, but this government has no interest in actually solving the problem, they want to exaggerate and weaponise it to create or propagate fear within those that are usually the least affected, a sensible migrant policy removes the easy to repeat tough on immigration Conservative mantra that the actual figures belie.
The relevance is that once you start going down routes like deportation as a fix to a problem that this method will obviously fail to fix you open up a Pandora's box of judgement based the real ideology behind the policy.
The Madagascar Plan was sold as a chance of Jewish self governance to the Jews and as a removal of a cancer to the Germans its ultimate purpose the removal of all Jews from Europe by 1945, what's the end game of the Rwandan policy ?
I'm surprised the plane didn't fly, even empty, during the Miner's strike empty buses would break pickets to give the impression that Miner's were returning to work and create divisions and suspicions that all was not as it seemed, when the drivers told the striking miners the buses were empty, Thatcher paid prisoners to be taken by the Police to pick up points where they were taken into the mines and create the impression that the strike was broken.
Rwanda is a scare policy, an attempt to show how tough this Government is, how it will take extreme measures to meet its ends, how perception is more important than execution and practicality, it's a pander to the empty vessel, increased volume, racist minority that sadly still exists in this country and others in 2022, the solution is a change to asylum policy to allow remote application, safe passage once approval is met and the realisation that making legal application much easier makes illegal entry much harder, but this government has no interest in actually solving the problem, they want to exaggerate and weaponise it to create or propagate fear within those that are usually the least affected, a sensible migrant policy removes the easy to repeat tough on immigration Conservative mantra that the actual figures belie.
Unravel_Morrison
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I am sure they will, but I don't see it getting them any extra voters. The people who will go for this, they are already onside.
The Ruthsayer
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I disagree. These threats typically accrete numerous points related to the initial subject, and if you read back you will see that I am directly addressing one of these topics.
Brian Marwood
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Is it possible that we can fly anyone to Rwanda who isn't happy with the immigrants trying to gain a better life by coming to the UK instead? I include MP's with that offer too.
That might be a little harsh on Rwanda though, I fear.
That might be a little harsh on Rwanda though, I fear.
jam69
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I hope your right and they are just preaching to the converted
Laughing
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I wonder whether Rwanda is just a tool to legislate away from the European Human Rights agreement. In other words to strip you and I of our rights. I don't think that the government ever thought the flight yesterday would take off. Before ECHR got involved there were only 4 passengers remaining. On that subject, the other folks to be exported were represented within the UK. For every racist there are 2 good people. We are not inherently a racist country. W e have racists, but the issue is we have a racist in no 10.
FabioPorkpie
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I also read somewhere that in pursuing the racist vote, there is a real danger that they are going to lose the middle class, affluent South East vote, many of whom are deeply uncomfortable with the Rwanda flight situation and see it as a step too far, so may just jump to Lib Dem at the next GE.
Chris_Boro
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All this for +1...
changingman
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This is the issue with the battle lines being drawn around a largely non-partisan issue (Brexit).I also read somewhere that in pursuing the racist vote, there is a real danger that they are going to lose the middle class, affluent South East vote, many of whom are deeply uncomfortable with the Rwanda flight situation and see it as a step too far, so may just jump to Lib Dem at the next GE.
The "traditional" power bases will shift (they already are) which will open up routes for the Lib Dems, Greens etc. Of course, the rebuttal to this is to change the rules of the elections themselves, which the Conservatives are already doing.
I do tend to agree that if "racist views" were put to a referendum the racists would "lose" - but I think it would be closer than 10 years ago. Ideally we need a realignment of political parties which lumps them in one party and leaves sensible, mature and educated debate to those (majority) parties in power.
Safe to say the next Conservative leader (providing they're not also a narcissistic sociopath) has a hell of a job on their hands.
Unravel_Morrison
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I think part of it is down to general incompetence and the priority being keeping Johnson in power.
The ECHR are included in the Good Friday Agreement; so moving outside their jurisdiction could be tricky.
I just look across government and they don't seem to have a coherent plan for anything, even down to who they employ.
You only have to look at this week's news.
You have the long awaited food strategy; it's ignored half of the key points of the report that Henry Dimbleby produced.
They have appointed a Cost of Living Tsar, who wants Boris Johnson out.
Everything they announce; you examine it beyond the announcement and there's very little there. More doctors, more housing, more hospitals, freeports; they amount to little or nothing.
Chris_Boro
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Live now to Priti Patel's statement on Rwanda...