Finley Cartwright

BoroMart said:
No but they nurtured it, and coaches don't coach for free.
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Agreed, there has to be some recompense for the time put in. As one poster says the clubs don’t give the kids their talent, but the streets are full of talented kids, that training is given in the hope that the club and player benefit when that talent comes to fruition.
 
NoloBoro said:
Wouldn’t you rather be a good player at a reasonable club than a reserve perpetually loaned out?
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agreed I just find the whole chelsea model to be akin to a battery farm. Stack as many of them into your club as you can and squeeze as much profit as you can from them. Lets be honest very few will ever be a chelsea player. You sign your career progression to them, and yes you get top coaching and good money, but ultimately the trade off is a lack of game time in U18 and U21 and the lack of progression in your club with dedicated coaching over a number of years is surely going to hit your growth potential.
 
I’d be happier with the system if the original club was entitled to a percentage of a player’s future transfer fees. Maybe as much as 1% for each year spent with the club up to 10% maximum. It could even benefit the big clubs who develop a lot of players for the football league.
 
The_Big_Woodowski said:
The EPPP :

The new rules mean that a Category 1 academy can go to any other training ground to watch a player (giving 48 hours' notice) and effectively buy the player for a fixed fee starting from £3,000.
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We have a Category 1 Academy don't we? Doesn't that protect us from other Cat 1 academies just turning up and poaching our players?
 
Rofesleg said:
We have a Category 1 Academy don't we? Doesn't that protect us from other Cat 1 academies just turning up and poaching our players?
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It doesn’t stop them taking players who legally can’t be contracted due to their age but you get more compensation than lower category academies.
 
From what I heard from my brother our Grannie could have improved the team tonight so good luck to the lad. Hope he lives up to the promise.
 
BoroMart said:
agreed I just find the whole chelsea model to be akin to a battery farm. Stack as many of them into your club as you can and squeeze as much profit as you can from them. Lets be honest very few will ever be a chelsea player. You sign your career progression to them, and yes you get top coaching and good money, but ultimately the trade off is a lack of game time in U18 and U21 and the lack of progression in your club with dedicated coaching over a number of years is surely going to hit your growth potential.
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Isn't the battery farm the business model of academies in general? Football clubs are parasitic to the dreams of children.
 
JackG said:
Isn't the battery farm the business model of academies in general? Football clubs are parasitic to the dreams of children.
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To a degree, but the callousness of the chelsea model, the size of them and the gulf between 99% of the players and what they expect at first team level means it's near impossible for players to break through and they will largely spend 5 years going out on loans to footballing backwaters, instead of really settling down, with roots and solidity.
 
BoroMart said:
To a degree, but the callousness of the chelsea model, the size of them and the gulf between 99% of the players and what they expect at first team level means it's near impossible for players to break through and they will largely spend 5 years going out on loans to footballing backwaters, instead of really settling down, with roots and solidity.
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Chelsea aren't breeding players that will break into the Chelsea first team but they are successfully breeding premier/champions league level players. Yes, they will spend a lot of time out on loan but the chances of being a successful top level player is way higher by going through the Chelsea/Man City academy than it is going through the Boro academy.

Is it callous? For the industry, maybe, but for individual players I'm not sure it is. Those players are there to generate income for Chelsea. You could argue they are being used or you could argue that they are providing an opportunity to make it to the top.
 
Nano said:
Chelsea aren't breeding players that will break into the Chelsea first team but they are successfully breeding premier/champions league level players. Yes, they will spend a lot of time out on loan but the chances of being a successful top level player is way higher by going through the Chelsea/Man City academy than it is going through the Boro academy.

Is it callous? For the industry, maybe, but for individual players I'm not sure it is. Those players are there to generate income for Chelsea. You could argue they are being used or you could argue that they are providing an opportunity to make it to the top.
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I’d argue they’ll have a chance, maybe a better chance, of making it to the top playing for the clubs they want instead of playing in footballing backwaters.

For every champs league player there are 20 that are way down the pyramid and wasted, the Josh McEcharens of this world
 
Cress said:
www.teamtalk.com

Sources: Chelsea plot raid on Middlesbrough for highly-rated midfielder Fin Cartwright as Pochettino eyes future domination

We understand that Chelsea are looking to lure highly-rated Middlesbrough youngster Fin Cartwright to Stamford Bridge this summer.
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30m with 30m of bonuses or **** off.

The good thing is that to have appeare for our first team he has to have been registered with a playing contract. Chelsea were trying to get him 6 months ago and could have got him for minimal compensation if that is what he wanted. We would have received like 500k and then maybe a couple of mill in the future if he plays for England.

We now have some protection and can demand proper compensation if he chooses to go, or we fast track him to the first team if they can't match what we want.
 
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Nano said:
I totally agree. That was in answer to "why would someone choose to go to Chelsea over Boro". I'm saying it's not just financial. The chances of succeeding are better at a club like Chelsea because failure there is still likely to be a higher level than success at Boro.

Chelsea's model isn't to produce first teamers. It's to produce revenue. As @coluka says, it's more like a farm.
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