ForssAwakens
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Ye I eluded to it earlier the thread. Prem/uefa/fifa are protecting their money, their greed. I don’t have any sympathy for them, they have created the greed of clubs
football should have been regulated a long time ago
European Super League to be announced tonight - 9:30pm
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football should have been regulated a long time ago
BoroMart
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It's not. It's a closed shop, to ensure that the same big clubs have guaranteed and improved income, at the cost of the other 3,000 clubs in europe. Excluding them forever from having a seat at the top table.
Borobarmy
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I suspect it’s engineered like a planning application is now whereby the applicant seeks planning permission for 100 homes knowing it’s going to get rejected only to immediately reapply for a re application of 80 knowing that’s what they’ll get ( and always wanted ) . Hence ‘ super league ‘ knowing they’ll get cut down at first but getting something to at least get a start . A wedge in the door if you like
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MolteniArcore
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1 - I don't know why anyone is surprised? Football has been about pure money and greed for 20 odd years. Have you moaned about Sky? BT Sport? Amazon? Away ticket prices? Home game prices? But then kept buying them?
2 - Why are we even bothered? We are so far away from Champions League football it's crazy. It's like Harrogate Town kicking off about parachute payments from the PL.
3 - The footballing authorities are toothless and will do nothing about it. They don't rock the boat. They don't even deal with racism. If the EPL had any balls they would be releasing a statement today confirming that the 6 clubs won't be in the Premier next season unless the formally withdraw from this and the FA should say that their players won't be eligible to play for England.
4 - It sounds like a terrible plan anyway and is very likely to fail.
5 - Be warned... this is where football is heading and could end up in a split domestically. Support your local team etc but don't take any crap. Vote with your feet.
Let them get on with it - it's better than talking about Covid. It's a welcome break that football is back on the agenda for discussion!
2 - Why are we even bothered? We are so far away from Champions League football it's crazy. It's like Harrogate Town kicking off about parachute payments from the PL.
3 - The footballing authorities are toothless and will do nothing about it. They don't rock the boat. They don't even deal with racism. If the EPL had any balls they would be releasing a statement today confirming that the 6 clubs won't be in the Premier next season unless the formally withdraw from this and the FA should say that their players won't be eligible to play for England.
4 - It sounds like a terrible plan anyway and is very likely to fail.
5 - Be warned... this is where football is heading and could end up in a split domestically. Support your local team etc but don't take any crap. Vote with your feet.
Let them get on with it - it's better than talking about Covid. It's a welcome break that football is back on the agenda for discussion!
BoroMart
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probably, but we should deny them permission, and repossess their own home.
TeaCider
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If they're allowed to succeed, that's 100% what will happen.
The Spanish and Italians have already sold out their cup competitions to the middle east.
Nero
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Exactly. The clubs involved are trying to back UEFA into a corner regarding the Champions League. They'll want more control of revenue, marketing, qualification and the number of games.
red_harrington
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It seems to me that these clubs want to play the big glory games every week, the ones that attract the most viewers, and therefore the most money.
But I think they have failed to realise that these glory games are relative - they only have the status that they have, because the majority of games played are average or dull.
So in essence, they want to eat the icing on the cake, and leave the cake behind.
Clearly this isn't a healthy option. But the plastics will lap it up - they don't know what's good for them.
But I think they have failed to realise that these glory games are relative - they only have the status that they have, because the majority of games played are average or dull.
So in essence, they want to eat the icing on the cake, and leave the cake behind.
Clearly this isn't a healthy option. But the plastics will lap it up - they don't know what's good for them.
NoloBoro
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I wouldn’t even have Cardiff or Swansea in our football league.
Nero
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Good point about the Middle East. I expect to hear of Saudi Arabia building a state of the art stadium to allow Real Madrid to play their home games.
BoroMart
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Yes, I've banged on about the inequalities of football payments since the formation of the prem league
because we will forever be excluded, the dream will be gone
Don't be so sure, it's now open civil war, and it's already going to court
football without local fans is bunk
Maybe, but keep your eye on the end game, and it isn't on putting money into these 6 clubs.
This is all being done on the tick, just like when Man Utd were purchased. Billions of pounds of debt here to launch this thing. We can't let it win or football as we know it is utterly destroyed.
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Regardless of how this plays out I hope that the 86 clubs get together and kick these parasites out of the English game.
It's like living with a partner who's constantly on the sniff for something 'better'. Lance the boil and get rid of them, let them rejoin in the Cheshire league or whatever, might teach them some humility.
It's like living with a partner who's constantly on the sniff for something 'better'. Lance the boil and get rid of them, let them rejoin in the Cheshire league or whatever, might teach them some humility.
dooderooni
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I find it heartening to hear that Real's president and new chairman of the ESL, Florentino Perez, has assured us all that they'll look after the rest of football with far more money than we get now.
I think 8.6Bn is the figure being quoted. Stinks of a bribe to me so that football looks away while they corden off what they hope will be the biggest money-spinner their greedy little minds can imagine.
I hope it does go ahead and that the leagues and associations that these clubs belong to eject them completely with no chance of coming back.
I know I have been very critical of Gibbo with regard to some of the decisions at the Boro, but there is no way that he'd ever contemplate anything like this.
I think 8.6Bn is the figure being quoted. Stinks of a bribe to me so that football looks away while they corden off what they hope will be the biggest money-spinner their greedy little minds can imagine.
I hope it does go ahead and that the leagues and associations that these clubs belong to eject them completely with no chance of coming back.
I know I have been very critical of Gibbo with regard to some of the decisions at the Boro, but there is no way that he'd ever contemplate anything like this.
Borobarmy
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Spot on . Essentially their own Super League as they don’t care how it’s packaged or called as long as they get the £££
Otto42
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The owners (clubs) involved think they hold all the power, not sure they do if football fans vote with their feet and wallets.
The key question for me is whether the modern day fan is a consumer or a football fan, I suspect the PlayStation generation are more consumers. I wonder whether those involved have done their homework properly on this demographic or whether it's all a big game of poker and the desperate owners have blinked first?
The key question for me is whether the modern day fan is a consumer or a football fan, I suspect the PlayStation generation are more consumers. I wonder whether those involved have done their homework properly on this demographic or whether it's all a big game of poker and the desperate owners have blinked first?
boroboy6872
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Says it all really
Premier League clubs ranked by revenue in 2018/19 (in million U.S. dollars)*
Premier League clubs ranked by revenue in 2018/19 (in million U.S. dollars)*
viv_andersons_nana
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My instinct has always been to let them go and get on with it. When Manchester United or Juventus grow tired of not winning the title and finishing 9th, 13th or 16th every year and agitate to return to domestic football you make them start at the very bottom and work their way back. But now part of me sympathises with what I presume will be a majority of supporters of those clubs who will be horrified at the ideas put forward last night. This is the thing people always talk about here - we've allowed most(all?) of our traditionally biggest or most successful clubs to be taken over by oligarchs, global corporations, nation states, despotic regimes, the list goes on. I don't know how you can stop those clubs leaving because their owners, well, own them. They bought those clubs and can do whatever they like. The German model is what was needed but now it is probably too late.
On a sporting level, I think what galls most is that some of these clubs aren't even dominating or at least leading their own domestic leagues despite their absolutely monstrous financial advantages over the rest of the competing teams. Arsenal couldn't beat Fulham yesterday. They're a mid-table side. I'd fancy a full-strength Boro side to give them a game. Tottenham didn't dare come out of their own half against Newcastle but now think they have a divine right to go and play Barcelona or Juventus. Juventus themselves should be absolutely demolishing Serie A. Then you have the mismanagement. Barcelona are around £1bn in debt, how the f*ck can they be allowed to do that? How can they generate so much money and still be in so much debt? Why would any 'Super League' or new organisation want to invite a business like that? Their debt alone should bar them from European competition, IMO.
Anyway I'm losing my train of thought. Part of me thinks it'll die down over the next couple of days because I sense there was resistance inside UEFA to changing the Champions League to suit the clubs who came out last night. I think they might just be trying to force UEFA's hand into giving them what they want. But the Twitter post from Arsenal suggest possibly not. But I really, really would love to see UEFA and the Premier League and everyone else stick to their guns, ban these clubs from competing in domestic competition and carry on without them. I just don't think it will get to that point. Those 12 clubs will probably get what they want before that happens.
On a sporting level, I think what galls most is that some of these clubs aren't even dominating or at least leading their own domestic leagues despite their absolutely monstrous financial advantages over the rest of the competing teams. Arsenal couldn't beat Fulham yesterday. They're a mid-table side. I'd fancy a full-strength Boro side to give them a game. Tottenham didn't dare come out of their own half against Newcastle but now think they have a divine right to go and play Barcelona or Juventus. Juventus themselves should be absolutely demolishing Serie A. Then you have the mismanagement. Barcelona are around £1bn in debt, how the f*ck can they be allowed to do that? How can they generate so much money and still be in so much debt? Why would any 'Super League' or new organisation want to invite a business like that? Their debt alone should bar them from European competition, IMO.
Anyway I'm losing my train of thought. Part of me thinks it'll die down over the next couple of days because I sense there was resistance inside UEFA to changing the Champions League to suit the clubs who came out last night. I think they might just be trying to force UEFA's hand into giving them what they want. But the Twitter post from Arsenal suggest possibly not. But I really, really would love to see UEFA and the Premier League and everyone else stick to their guns, ban these clubs from competing in domestic competition and carry on without them. I just don't think it will get to that point. Those 12 clubs will probably get what they want before that happens.