EU Parliament Corruption

The Ruthsayer

The Ruthsayer

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So, it’s not just the UK and FIFA.
‘a bribery and corruption scandal of epic proportions’, according to the EU office of Transparency International.
This board is, quite rightly, quick to castigate corruption in other countries and organisations (where the UK does not have a direct financial interest, e.g. the US), but not here. Do some posters feel intimidated by the potential pro-EU response, or are we simply not interested?
 
Muttley said:
The EU corruption has been identified and is being dealt with. Contrast that with, for example, Ms Mone in UK or Trump in the US if you want to.
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That was not my question Muttley. I voted Remain and still believe that we are better off in the EU. What I wanted to understand was why the board was so quiet on such an important issue. I am sorry to say that your response might well be part of the answer.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
That was not my question Muttley. I voted Remain and still believe that we are better off in the EU. What I wanted to understand was why the board was so quiet on such an important issue. I am sorry to say that your response might well be part of the answer.
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Mutters answer is straight and to the point
He' s probably wanting to avoid a proven argumentative troll.
 
This is about corruption coming to light and showing in this instance that the EU internal measures to combat corruption eventually working. The EU office of transparency intl, said " this can not, must not mean going back to business as usual". Who was the main culprit of this corruption instigation? - Qatar.
The same Qatar who has invested £40 billion in the UK and we had 4.8 billion of of trade with last year. Hopefully it's all above aboard. Who knows? Not that in this post Brexit era we are likely to endanger one of our remaining trade sources that is growing, maybe the 23 MPs who have declared interests with Qatar can ask if the Qatari intentions are honourable.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
That was not my question Muttley. I voted Remain and still believe that we are better off in the EU. What I wanted to understand was why the board was so quiet on such an important issue. I am sorry to say that your response might well be part of the answer.
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Ok - what do you want?

I, and I suspect most other decent people think corruption of any sort is wrong. For the avoidance of doubt that will include Qatar Bribes to EU MPs..
I don't think you need to worry about an 'outcry' I'd be pretty confident The Mail et al will bring it to everyone's attention.

My preference is to focus on the corruption here as it is having a direct impact on pushing more and more people into poverty whilst the wealthy siphon off more and more of tax payers cash.
Sadly, there appears to be no motivation for the the bulk of the media or the current government to do anything about it.
For instance, Several Tory MPs here took 'donations' from Qatar (around £20k each). One I know of stood p in the HOC to give the Qatar regime a glowing reference just before the World Cup started.
There has been little or no discussion in the media about this kind of corruption.

You can make your mind up as to what members of this Board and, indeed the country at large, should be quiet or noisy about.
 
1finny said:
Ok - what do you want?

I, and I suspect most other decent people think corruption of any sort is wrong. For the avoidance of doubt that will include Qatar Bribes to EU MPs..
I don't think you need to worry about an 'outcry' I'd be pretty confident The Mail et al will bring it to everyone's attention.

My preference is to focus on the corruption here as it is having a direct impact on pushing more and more people into poverty whilst the wealthy siphon off more and more of tax payers cash.
Sadly, there appears to be no motivation for the the bulk of the media or the current government to do anything about it.
For instance, Several Tory MPs here took 'donations' from Qatar (around £20k each). One I know of stood p in the HOC to give the Qatar regime a glowing reference just before the World Cup started.
There has been little or no discussion in the media about this kind of corruption.

You can make your mind up as to what members of this Board and, indeed the country at large, should be quiet or noisy about.
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I don’t disagree with any of that. My opening sentence acknowledges the unhealthy influence of Qatari (and other’s) influence on the UK; but I still find it unusual that an event that will impact on our (still) largest trading partner did not arouse any comment.
If this makes me a provocative troll (in this case the definition of such appears to be eliciting comments on a topic that others have decided is not open to discussion), then so be it.
 
exeterboro said:
This is about corruption coming to light and showing in this instance that the EU internal measures to combat corruption eventually working. The EU office of transparency intl, said " this can not, must not mean going back to business as usual". Who was the main culprit of this corruption instigation? - Qatar.
The same Qatar who has invested £40 billion in the UK and we had 4.8 billion of of trade with last year. Hopefully it's all above aboard. Who knows? Not that in this post Brexit era we are likely to endanger one of our remaining trade sources that is growing, maybe the 23 MPs who have declared interests with Qatar can ask if the Qatari intentions are honourable.
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Are you suggesting that Transparency International is describing MEPs' alleged misconduct as 'business as usual'?
 
The Ruthsayer said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. My opening sentence acknowledges the unhealthy influence of Qatari (and other’s) influence on the UK; but I still find it unusual that an event that will impact on our (still) largest trading partner did not arouse any comment.
If this makes me a provocative troll (in this case the definition of such appears to be eliciting comments on a topic that others have decided is not open to discussion), then so be it.
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But how exactly will it impact us here in the UK? When compared with the theft of OUR money by a certain member of the House of Lords I'd hazard it's a bit of a non-event especially as we 'got Brexit done'.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. My opening sentence acknowledges the unhealthy influence of Qatari (and other’s) influence on the UK; but I still find it unusual that an event that will impact on our (still) largest trading partner did not arouse any comment.
If this makes me a provocative troll (in this case the definition of such appears to be eliciting comments on a topic that others have decided is not open to discussion), then so be it.
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It’s a case of corruption that is now being dealt with. No doubt at some point there will be more. Money, power and corruption go hand in hand…and have been for at least for a few thousand years. It will never end.
 
JackG said:
Are you suggesting that Transparency International is describing MEPs' alleged misconduct as 'business as usual'?
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It's suggesting the safeguards didn't work, they eventually after time are manipulated or sidelined, which unfortunately happens with most organisations in all walks of life, something comes along, in this case corruption and it's discovery and its realised that they need renewing. You don't hear that in the UK, unfortunately because ithe upper echelons are too corrupted and any voices saying it is corrupt are muffled out, the establishment here depends on business as usual.
 
I'm not entirely sure what the question is.

I heard about it on the radio news this afternoon and there's a thread (this one) on the board.

If this had been written with some information around what happened and what the consequences might be then I'd happily join in.

As it is, there seems to be an ongoing investigation. A few people have been arrested. Seemingly it's about Qatar bribing officials to make getting Visa's easier for Qtari citizens.

If there's a cover-up then I'd guess most people will be upset/angry etc. Otherwise it's something to keep an eye on but there's more pressing corruption that isn't being investigated that we should be worrying about.

And the footy season is back in full swing...
 
The Ruthsayer said:
in this case the definition of such appears to be eliciting comments on a topic that others have decided is not open to discussion
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It's probably the woke clique pulling the strings again.

Which is why this thread has been removed from the board... oh!?
 
This country can’t say anything about corruption. Places like Yeman bombed to bits with British made planes and weapons, yet not a thing mentioned in the British media or parliament. Imagine if it was Russia doing the bombing instead of The House of Saud?!

The petrodollar owned vast swaths of London and other areas. Not a thing mentioned there either. London bankers have done well out of it since the 70’s though, so all is good.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
So, it’s not just the UK and FIFA.
‘a bribery and corruption scandal of epic proportions’, according to the EU office of Transparency International.
This board is, quite rightly, quick to castigate corruption in other countries and organisations (where the UK does not have a direct financial interest, e.g. the US), but not here. Do some posters feel intimidated by the potential pro-EU response, or are we simply not interested?
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I hadn't heard of this story until your post so I had a quick read up.

So there has been alleged corruption and bribery at the EU Parliament. A Greek MEP has been named and 4 people have been ARRESTED. The EU have promised an investigation. I presume they can't investigate whilst the police do their job.

This in itself is pretty shocking especially when it sounds like Qatar are involved. Maybe hosting the WC has made them a bit more brazen.

Why am I not quick to castigate this corruption but happy to do so in the US? Well for one I didn't know. We are out of the EU now so maybe, what with the whole country striking, it isn't headline news. I think US corruption is more Trump corruption and he's now gone so I haven't seen much of that either. But attempting to have your supporters take over Capital Hill and declare a Presidential Election void seem a bit of a bigger deal than some bribes for Qatar - maybe that's why it's now making the headlines here?

You contrast that to Mone... No arrests. Investigation from NCA has been running for 7 months and she still can sit in the Lords if she wants. Tory whip removed only last week - not because of the criminal investigation - but because it was in the papers. Our PM shocked... he must have had his head in the sand for 7 months.

The UK Government appears to be riddled with corruption. It only comes to light when certain publications investigate. There is no appetite by the Tories to rid the UK of corruption. Matt Hancock's mate getting Covid contracts should be investigated - TBH every one of those contracts given to the VIP lane needs investigating.

Once the UK starts arresting MPs I'll get all annoyed about the EU. Even the US make arrests and take people to court - we just give people a talking to.
 
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