End Racism......
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FabioPorkpie
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One day, we’ll wake up and Trump will be dead, Putin will be dead, Musk will have been rejected and society and the world can set about repairing the deep damage done by Trumpism and populism in general. I
Got to try and minimise it in the meantime and hope that the more stuff like this happens, the more people will wake up to what they created and will find some conscience that helps repair the damage when the time comes.
Got to try and minimise it in the meantime and hope that the more stuff like this happens, the more people will wake up to what they created and will find some conscience that helps repair the damage when the time comes.
h_m_boro
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Problem being, historically, people wake up when it's too late and the damage has been done.
And that "time" to fix could easily be 1-2 generations.
How the f*ck did the world come to this??
FabioPorkpie
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I’m petrified about the world my kids are going to grow up in. War, famine, climate breakdown. All these things used to seem a long way off for developed countries, but recent times have undoubtedly accelerated our descent into the abyss.
It’s completely soul destroying.
atypical_boro
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Whilst I appreciate the sentiment behind having the slogan in the end zones, it probably wasn’t actually achieving anything.
h_m_boro
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Totally agree.
My son is 10, happily playing Fortnite with his mates. He's got a comfortable life. Biggest worry is starting High School in September.
But we can see the big picture, how the world is panning out, billionaires controlling populations, sending things back to the dark ages, serfdom. The king in his massive castle with his army watching over the peasants suffering in silence. Absolute power.
How a supposed civilised society was allowed to get to this point, shades of the 30s and the slow creep of fascism.
Scary times.
FabioPorkpie
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Removing it definitely achieves something though. Sends a clear message that none of that woke anti-racist do-gooder progressive stuff is welcome. Little bit of racism or fascism or sexism never hurt anybody…
It’s a green light to racists everywhere. Tells them their guys are in charge now and it empowers the very people who should be scared of showing their true colours.
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atypical_boro
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Trump won a majority anyway. It’s not as if these people were being persuaded by having a slogan like that in the end zones. They would say “keep politics out of football”. At some point you have to try and connect with these people (their votes count as much as anyone else’s). The “us and them” approach doesn’t work even if you think they are all idiots (which most of them probably are). You get Trump out by connecting with his supporters.
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h_m_boro
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Of course it was achieving nothing. Zilch. Nowt. Same as taking the knee, it was a symbol no more no less.
But for the NFL to remove it, now, weeks after Trump regained power......it's a bad, bad, bad look. Done to appease him? Who knows. But having it there at least showed that the NFL cared about racism. 53% of NFL players are black so it's just not a good look. At all.
atypical_boro
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I dunno. I think you could just as easily argue that by removing it you’re giving him one less thing to draw attention to. It’s not as if removing it actually means racism is ok. It’s some hollow words written on a football field.
We need to start thinking differently about how we “educate” people who disagree with us.
Wiseman_Vaughn
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And yet we were told that we must comply without question. Anybody that questioned it was a racist
One of the most sensible things written on this forum for an age ..
Whether it's Trump over there or Brexit / Reform over here .. constantly telling people that they are "thick and racist" for the "crime" of having a different opinion just drives more people to say F-You and vote for them
festa5
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I think finding better ways of engaging with people is really important obviously.
But I don't like the argument that pointing out stupidity drives people towards voting for stupid things. They were already going to do that anyway, that why the get called thick. Being offended is not a valid excuse to go and vote for racists. People need to own their decisions. Not blame it on others.
I would agree calling people thick and racist isn't going to help change any minds though.
How you do that though in a social media age, when the deck is stacked and the right aren't held to the same standards of behaviour as everyone else is the million dollar question.
The whole point why the likes of Trump or Farage exist is because people feel they don't get listened to.
It's perfectly fine for people to have valid concerns about immigration, for instance, without them being racist or stupid. But when they express those concerns and don't feel they are being listened to and are instead being called thick / racist for having those concerns .. then it opens a door for a Farage or Trump to step through and say " .. I'll listen to you" ..
Norman_Conquest
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There's an article in The Guardian today that mentions Trump previously wanting the NFL to sack players who took a knee during the national anthem and for fans to walk out. This paragraph sums up Trump nicely for me and he's always been a big kid who likes to get his own way.
“President Trump loves a victory lap and this is certainly a victory lap over the NFL,” says Brandon Rottinghaus, a politics professor at the University of Houston and co-director of the Presidential Greatness Project survey.
www.theguardian.com
“President Trump loves a victory lap and this is certainly a victory lap over the NFL,” says Brandon Rottinghaus, a politics professor at the University of Houston and co-director of the Presidential Greatness Project survey.
Trump at the Super Bowl: how the NFL’s culture war ended in surrender
Trump’s attendance at the Super Bowl on Sunday in New Orleans stands to offer more evidence that the sporting climate has shifted from resistance to acceptance
www.theguardian.com
mercury_redstone7
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Its a powder keg just waiting to explode that place and we aren't that far behind.
A great deal of these issues are manufactured or at the very least manipulated by the populists to begin with. Small fears or minor concerns are played upon and amplified in order to create the enemy on whom they are told they should blame all the problems on and then lo and behold they step forward with 'solutions' to the problem they manufactured or enhanced to begin with. There's a big wedge of a line between legitimate concerns and those fears that have been manipulated. I would argue with a more balanced and fair media a good chunk of these 'legitimate concerns' wouldn't exist to begin with.
That's not to say people shouldn't have concerns and don't have legitimate concerns, there are areas of the country and sections of population that have been left behind and ignored for way too long, but, spoiler alert, they have little to nothing nothing to.do.wih the number of brown people in your town.
That's not to say people shouldn't have concerns and don't have legitimate concerns, there are areas of the country and sections of population that have been left behind and ignored for way too long, but, spoiler alert, they have little to nothing nothing to.do.wih the number of brown people in your town.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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Watched this last night and thought it was worth a share
festa5
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Agree to a point, but a lot of those concerns are driven by people like Trump and Farage (and the media outlets that prop them up) in the first place.
No one really gave a crap about being in the EU until Farage, Daily Mail etc told them they should.
There's nothing wrong with having those concerns but quite often those concerns are exaggerated.
It's really difficult for non-right wing parties to find the balance. If Labour tell people they're overly concerned, here are all the benefits of immigration, here's the evidence. People don't want to know and feel they're not being listened to.
Whereas Farage and co. feed on it, tell them not only are they right but it's actually much worse than they thought. And that is a much easier message to sell. Human nature is to want to be validated and be told you're right.
So now you have labour pretending that being outside the EU is great (for example) even though they know it isn't. Because they don't know how to win the argument against populism. But at the same time they're ******* a lot of other voters off (who are now feeling that they're not being listened to).