End Racism......

FabioPorkpie said:
Climate breakdown was a distant thought back then, with seemingly plenty of time to change course and avert the worst of it. There wasn’t an unhinged gangster/fascist/criminal lunatic in charge of the most powerful military in the world, backed by the richest man in the world who also happens to be a Nazi.
The U.K. was part of the EU and as such was safer and more secure. Now it’s a small nation of reducing global significance and diminishing influence and soft power, out on its own, aside from NATO, the future of which is far from secure due to afore mentioned psycho president.
Yes, there were wars but they were always way waaay ‘over there’ or far far away, not on Europe’s doorstep. Racism, misogyny, hate etc were being put on the back foot, but they’ve made a big old come back and the age of misinformation that social media has enabled is exacerbating the problem. The standard of living was on the rise, poverty on the fall, but that’s reversed in both cases.

I get what you are saying, but it’s no longer good enough just to pass it all off -‘ oh there has always been alarmist lefties getting their melons in a twist about this stuff and it’s worked out ok so far, so they may as well not worry about things that are out of their control.’
I can’t help but feel it’s a bit different time this time.
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My experience is that younger people are less racist, sexist, discriminatory and are more tolerant than the Brexit generation.

That gives me a lot of hope for the future.
 
atypical_boro said:
Whilst I appreciate the sentiment behind having the slogan in the end zones, it probably wasn’t actually achieving anything.
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Perhaps but if I was part of a minority that was being discriminated against just seeing that people were trying to help would be welcomed
The removal must be a massive backward step and be extremely worrying as to the direction of travel
 
speckyget said:
You'd have to ask the NFL. I suppose the idea is that if people like football, and football says racism is bad, then people will associate that message with something they regard as a positive.
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This. I'm not quite sure what atypical is struggling to grasp with this simple concept.

What is clear of course, is that REMOVING an anti racism statement is saying that it's ok
 
SmallTown said:
This. I'm not quite sure what atypical is struggling to grasp with this simple concept.

What is clear of course, is that REMOVING an anti racism statement is saying that it's ok
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I don’t think it is saying that it is ok, and it’s not a black and white issue (no pun intended).
 
To go out of their way, in making a physical effort, to remove an anti-racism statement is shameful.

If it doesn’t work, or they’re ambivalent, then they could just ignore it.

But no. They have to act against it.

Makes me miserable to think of it.
 
Hap said:
To go out of their way, in making a physical effort, to remove an anti-racism statement is shameful.

If it doesn’t work, or they’re ambivalent, then they could just ignore it.

But no. They have to act against it.

Makes me miserable to think of it.
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But this is my point. Why is it in the end zone in the Super Bowl? Why not at all matches? Why not in the penalty area in the PL? Why not across the top of the Riverside Stadium roof? Why not on every door handle on the London Underground? Why not get a sign above all of our front doors?

Just cos those words were there once doesn’t mean that if they’re ever removed that’s an endorsement of racism. These ideas are well meant but they are not really providing a solution and it’s possible they’re doing as much harm as good. At least if you look at the state of play in the US, they’re not making any progress as a result of this kind of thing.
 
atypical_boro said:
But this is my point. Why is it in the end zone in the Super Bowl? Why not at all matches? Why not in the penalty area in the PL? Why not across the top of the Riverside Stadium roof? Why not on every door handle on the London Underground.

Just cos those words were there once doesn’t mean that if they’re ever removed that’s an endorsement of racism.
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I sort of understand your point.

But the act of removing something that opposes ignorance and bigotry is a strange thing to do and will be interpreted in a divisive way. They should see that.
 
atypical_boro said:
I don’t think it is saying that it is ok, and it’s not a black and white issue (no pun intended).
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No, I get that. And I get that it doesn't do much. I just like the idea that, at major events like this, people were happy to make a statement saying racism isn't on. It feels like we are regressing
 
atypical_boro said:
But this is my point. Why is it in the end zone in the Super Bowl? Why not at all matches? Why not in the penalty area in the PL?
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It is at all matches, not just the Superbowl. Millions tuning in to watch the game from all around the world and on this one day the NFL removed the slogan.Their reason was p*ss poor.......but that's Goodell for you.

Players have the slogan on the back of their helmets, it means something to a lot of the players who happen to be black, or be in a locker room with the majority black players.

And just think about the good 'ol white supremacists seeing the NFL carry out this action - do you not think this will enable them further?

It's poor timing - why not just say next season they won't be having the slogan in end zones, why start at the Superbowl......with Trump in attendance.

As I said, the logo will do little. Nothing in itself. But at least the NFL, a billion dollar industry, are showing they are behind their "employees" the majority who are from an ethnic minority.

At this very moment in time America really didn't need to do this.

In my humble opinion.
 
SmallTown said:
This. I'm not quite sure what atypical is struggling to grasp with this simple concept.

What is clear of course, is that REMOVING an anti racism statement is saying that it's ok
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It’s a good job the anti racism statements don’t stop racism..

Maybe that will be something good that comes out of this?
 
h_m_boro said:
It is at all matches, not just the Superbowl. Millions tuning in to watch the game from all around the world and on this one day the NFL removed the slogan.Their reason was p*ss poor.......but that's Goodell for you.

Players have the slogan on the back of their helmets, it means something to a lot of the players who happen to be black, or be in a locker room with the majority black players.

And just think about the good 'ol white supremacists seeing the NFL carry out this action - do you not think this will enable them further?

It's poor timing - why not just say next season they won't be having the slogan in end zones, why start at the Superbowl......with Trump in attendance.

As I said, the logo will do little. Nothing in itself. But at least the NFL, a billion dollar industry, are showing they are behind their "employees" the majority who are from an ethnic minority.

At this very moment in time America really didn't need to do this.

In my humble opinion.
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I think ita a clear regression and something the current ruling Junta want. They are keen to row back on all the work done in the last 100 years to combat both racism and sexism. It's tragic times for America
 
SmallTown said:
That's Trumpian polticis in a nutshell isn't it: Just hard lying all the time It's grim
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The Apprentice biopic mentions three rules for life instilled in baby Donald by his mentor Roy Cohn: always attack, never admit wrongdoing, and always claim victory, even if defeated.
 
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