Do some of you think you might be slightly over-reacting?

Quicksilvera said:
I’d wager a lot of that depended on Giles, Ramsey, Archer and Akpom which were never realistic.

The top table are trying to recruit to have the same output eventually but I don’t believe the aim can be automatic promotion when you’re bringing in a dozen players from across the world.

For what it’s worth under woodgate I was extremely critical of the club albeit not on here, I don’t believe right now is the time to be critical. It to be patient.
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As I said, as soon as the season finished they were never realistic due to the cost of buying quality. Akpom was clearly never going to sign a new contract, it was his best chance to get a lucrative contract and Boro could not afford his demands. Fans were left hoping and dangling after the Portuguese 6 believing quality was coming, it never did, O’Brien the only one that has and he is only on loan.

I don’t believe the top table wanted to go for promotion either the recruitment has told us that, it is a huge gamble on the future that may or may not be successful. I do think Carrick had greater expectation of quality than he has been provided with, especially given Carricks comments to Jones, It feels like the hierarchy accidentally forgot to include him with the change of direction memo till later In the window.

I believe you can build a team to do well from players around the world, its just they have to be of sufficient quality for the level you are at and the person in charge needs to know his onions from his spuds, Scott hasn’t shown he is anything other than a football version of Del Boy Trotter as yet, imho.

The biggest risk with this squad is likely to be year 1, come through that showing improvement all round then build and build is presumably now the aim, but a poor year will see drops in revenue in SC sales again until promotion somehow looks a possibility again imho. It is a gamble, a direction that once again we the fans have to endure and suffer having had the bar raised only for the hierarchy to slap us in the face with a wet kipper. This season seems a reboot of the Woody golden thread attempt and we all know how that went. Languishing lowly at Christmas will rule out decent quality loans like we got last season.

We have every right to criticise recruitment, decision making, performances, we are humans, emotion is in our make up. It is the hierarchy that need to take that on the chin and treat us as customers as well as fans, they should have learnt not to take us for granted or mugs, I think they sadly do unfortunately, we are not lemmings.
 
coluka said:
As I said, as soon as the season finished they were never realistic due to the cost of buying quality. Akpom was clearly never going to sign a new contract, it was his best chance to get a lucrative contract and Boro could not afford his demands. Fans were left hoping and dangling after the Portuguese 6 believing quality was coming, it never did, O’Brien the only one that has and he is only on loan.

I don’t believe the top table wanted to go for promotion either the recruitment has told us that, it is a huge gamble on the future that may or may not be successful. I do think Carrick had greater expectation of quality than he has been provided with, especially given Carricks comments to Jones, It feels like the hierarchy accidentally forgot to include him with the change of direction memo till later In the window.

I believe you can build a team to do well from players around the world, its just they have to be of sufficient quality for the level you are at and the person in charge needs to know his onions from his spuds, Scott hasn’t shown he is anything other than a football version of Del Boy Trotter as yet, imho.

The biggest risk with this squad is likely to be year 1, come through that showing improvement all round then build and build is presumably now the aim, but a poor year will see drops in revenue in SC sales again until promotion somehow looks a possibility again imho. It is a gamble, a direction that once again we the fans have to endure and suffer having had the bar raised only for the hierarchy to slap us in the face with a wet kipper. This season seems a reboot of the Woody golden thread attempt and we all know how that went. Languishing lowly at Christmas will rule out decent quality loans like we got last season.

We have every right to criticise recruitment, decision making, performances, we are humans, emotion is in our make up. It is the hierarchy that need to take that on the chin and treat us as customers as well as fans, they should have learnt not to take us for granted or mugs, I think they sadly do unfortunately, we are not lemmings.
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Spot on
 
Boro said:
Sorry to labour it but Carrick is a rookie too and looks out of his depth in handling the string of defeats on the back of the collapse at the end of last season. He looks worried and a bit lost. Even his post match interview is as sad as an old time Southgate one & they were bad.
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You put too much emphasis on a post match interview, they are nothing more than irrelevant distraction in most cases.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
No it isn’t and yes they have.
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We are well on track for it though Viv at least eh, we can take some comfort in not having arrived there quite yet, so that is a huge comfort to fans, lose at Blackburn and fail to win at Wednesday and results wise it will be though.

Anyway, lets have a bit of music and forget about footy for a day

 
coluka said:
As I said, as soon as the season finished they were never realistic due to the cost of buying quality. Akpom was clearly never going to sign a new contract, it was his best chance to get a lucrative contract and Boro could not afford his demands. Fans were left hoping and dangling after the Portuguese 6 believing quality was coming, it never did, O’Brien the only one that has and he is only on loan.

I don’t believe the top table wanted to go for promotion either the recruitment has told us that, it is a huge gamble on the future that may or may not be successful. I do think Carrick had greater expectation of quality than he has been provided with, especially given Carricks comments to Jones, It feels like the hierarchy accidentally forgot to include him with the change of direction memo till later In the window.

I believe you can build a team to do well from players around the world, its just they have to be of sufficient quality for the level you are at and the person in charge needs to know his onions from his spuds, Scott hasn’t shown he is anything other than a football version of Del Boy Trotter as yet, imho.

The biggest risk with this squad is likely to be year 1, come through that showing improvement all round then build and build is presumably now the aim, but a poor year will see drops in revenue in SC sales again until promotion somehow looks a possibility again imho. It is a gamble, a direction that once again we the fans have to endure and suffer having had the bar raised only for the hierarchy to slap us in the face with a wet kipper. This season seems a reboot of the Woody golden thread attempt and we all know how that went. Languishing lowly at Christmas will rule out decent quality loans like we got last season.

We have every right to criticise recruitment, decision making, performances, we are humans, emotion is in our make up. It is the hierarchy that need to take that on the chin and treat us as customers as well as fans, they should have learnt not to take us for granted or mugs, I think they sadly do unfortunately, we are not lemmings.
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One thing I will say Col is i believe that if Carrick believed for one minute he was being deceived at any level of the club then I think he would walk. His reputation is still sky high in the football world and he would walk into another job tomorrow. The club would gain nothing by giving him false hope.

By all means criticise and that goes for everyone, that is your right at the end of the day and I will debate with anybody when it comes to the boro whether I’m right or wrong.
 
Quicksilvera said:
One thing I will say Col is i believe that if Carrick believed for one minute he was being deceived at any level of the club then I think he would walk. His reputation is still sky high in the football world and he would walk into another job tomorrow. The club would gain nothing by giving him false hope.

By all means criticise and that goes for everyone, that is your right at the end of the day and I will debate with anybody when it comes to the boro whether I’m right or wrong.
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I really doubt Carrick’s reputation is sky high when his team is sitting at the bottom of the Championship with one point from 15 and scoring fewer goals than any other team in the EFL.

Not to mention one victory from the last ten league outings.

I think any potential suitors would be keeping their powder dry at the moment.

That said, I believe we should stick with Carrick and give him an experienced coach to work with as promised.
 
coluka said:
Where has the idea its suddenly a media campaign come from. Organisations do employ people as part of their role to infiltrate social media and talk up their organisations. I’ve been a part of it in my past lol.
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Psyops?
77 Brigade?
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viv_andersons_nana said:
It was worse in 1984-85 as you say, which included a 2-4 defeat to Bradford over two legs of a League Cup first round tie. So no wins from the first 7 competitive games. That became no wins in 8 when we lost 2-1 at Fulham. We only won 4 of the first 17 competitive games that season. Only 5 of the first 20. Only 6 of the first 33, which includes a 0-0 draw and a 2-1 defeat to Darlington in the FA Cup.
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That Darlo game was absolutely barmy. (y)
 
Easterside_Red said:
Keeping quiet means that folk such as yourself make things up about 5 year plans solely to suit their own agendas.
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I haven’t made anything up? Show me where I stated we are on a 5 year plan? I believe we will be on a long term plan but I never said it was so.

Maybe don’t put words in my mouth to suit your narrative.
 
Quicksilvera said:
One thing I will say Col is i believe that if Carrick believed for one minute he was being deceived at any level of the club then I think he would walk. His reputation is still sky high in the football world and he would walk into another job tomorrow. The club would gain nothing by giving him false hope.

By all means criticise and that goes for everyone, that is your right at the end of the day and I will debate with anybody when it comes to the boro whether I’m right or wrong.
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I am not saying he has been deceived, I am saying the goalposts have been moved on him for some reason, He had information to believe we were going for top two as stated to Izzy. The recruitment shows that is a dead duck. At some point the penny will have dropped, whether he was kept fully up to speed and bought in to this plan is open for debate. He is a media savvy gentleman and isn’t one for throwing the baby out of the bathwater imho. He will give 100%, but at some point if things do not turn quickly, I fear he may wrongly pay a price for it not working with poor quality buys he has been supplied with. I think if anyone has a bullet to bite it should be Scott rather than Carrick, but we all know it wont pan out that way if it continues to go pete tong 🤷‍♂️

I have my fingers crossed that the break helps him get some arder into things, but we are missing McNair, Lenihan, Dieng, McGree, Silvera, Hackney from Saturdays starting 11 plus Glover has Bangura been called up for Sierra Leone?
Thats a fair number missing anyway.
 
Quicksilvera said:
The club are in a position where they can’t please everyone, keep quiet is a strategy that doesn’t upset anybody.
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But they didn’t keep quiet did they? I accept marketing blurb is a fact of life, but the drivel that accompanied the ST renewal amounted to false advertising.
Just tell us the truth, it’s our club too.
 
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