Do some of you think you might be slightly over-reacting?

[Quicksilvera]

But they didn’t keep quiet did they? I accept marketing blurb is a fact of life, but the drivel that accompanied the ST renewal amounted to false advertising.
Just tell us the truth, it’s our club too.

Sold with the best intentions of a push, nobody could predict how the season would turn out. That’s all the club can do really in my opinion. We are only 5 games in we could still finish 1st or 24th, it’s a lottery.

 

[BoroMart]

We didn’t pay 3 million for Engel, Alex Gilbert may just need a bit of time.

Engel was a basic of £1.7m that was confirmed by the danish stock exchange message.

Gilbert is a project, will definitely take some time, he was also significantly less than a million in compensation

 

[Easterside_Red]

Eh? What a weird insult to anything I’ve said. It’s ironic that it’s you who is coming across as juvenile.

Maybe listen to others views and you may learn a thing or two one day.

I think you're just trolling at this point.
So I'll briefly recap on our interaction and that'll be it for me.

You said: "We are probably a few months into a 3-5 season plan"

I said: "If only the club would tell the fans that eh?"

You said: "The club are in a position where they can’t please everyone, keep quiet is a strategy that doesn’t upset anybody."

I said: "Keeping quiet means that folk such as yourself make things up about 5 year plans solely to suit their own agendas."

You said: "I haven’t made anything up? Show me where I stated we are on a 5 year plan? I believe we will be on a long term plan but I never said it was so."

At this point I should have realised what I was dealing with. Someone who uses semantics to deny what they meant when they said something.

You've recently changed your username which is always a bit fishy. I don't want to know what your previous username was but I won't engage with you going forward.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

 

[Quicksilvera]

I think you're just trolling at this point.
So I'll briefly recap on our interaction and that'll be it for me.

You said: "We are probably a few months into a 3-5 season plan"

I said: "If only the club would tell the fans that eh?"

You said: "The club are in a position where they can’t please everyone, keep quiet is a strategy that doesn’t upset anybody."

I said: "Keeping quiet means that folk such as yourself make things up about 5 year plans solely to suit their own agendas."

You said: "I haven’t made anything up? Show me where I stated we are on a 5 year plan? I believe we will be on a long term plan but I never said it was so."

At this point I should have realised what I was dealing with. Someone who uses semantics to deny what they meant when they said something.

You've recently changed your username which is always a bit fishy. I don't want to know what your previous username was but I won't engage with you going forward.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Strange behaviour.

A touch of being a hypocrite with the username thing, weren’t you Borofur?

I changed mine for a couple of reasons one of them being chuba akpom left. But I don’t answer to you.

 

[indeedido]

The top table are trying to recruit to have the same output eventually but I don’t believe the aim can be automatic promotion when you’re bringing in a dozen players from across the world.

Do you think signing 12 new players and expecting automatic promotion is a realistic aim?

Burnley did exactly this last season.
Several others have done it in recent seasons too.
All clubs turn lots of players over ever year in the Championship.

 

[Quicksilvera]

Burnley did exactly this last season.
Several others have done it in recent seasons too.
All clubs turn lots of players over ever year in the Championship.

We don’t have the finance of Burnley although I get your point. A big factor for us is replacing the quality of last season and expecting them to hit the ground running.

 

[BoroMart]

I said: "If only the club would tell the fans that eh?"

No club will ever say, we are not going for promotion this season. It's not realistic to expect that.

I said: "Keeping quiet means that folk such as yourself make things up about 5 year plans solely to suit their own agendas."

They have talked about making the club more sustainable, they've also invested heavily in the player identification and recruitment teams. So it's pretty clear what the plan is without spelling it out. It isn't sustainable to buy ready made players, and it isn't worth getting an expensive recruitment team if it's to sign players you already know about. We are scouting young players and emerging market players, and train them to improve.

You've recently changed your username which is always a bit fishy.

It's pretty obvious why he changed it mate, Akpom has left, and he's changed it to a pun on a current player.

 

[Boro]

You put too much emphasis on a post match interview, they are nothing more than irrelevant distraction in most cases.

Agree on interviews especially after a loss but didn't think I did, that was an afterthought, it's more the demeanour in general that looked a bit deflated. I want him to do well & don't want him to loose confidence. He is a new manager, used to success as a player and this can't be easy for him at the minute. What wondering what support he would get from the club especially if the next few games don't go well...

 

[Jedi boro]

Burnley did exactly this last season.
Several others have done it in recent seasons too.
All clubs turn lots of players over ever year in the Championship.

The big difference is our loan players were all in key positions

Namely
Our keeper
Our supply from the flank
Our entire attack ( plus Chuba also gone )

That’s 5 key players all gone from the side no other team lost that many in such key roles.

 

[sambaDTR]

Looking forward to this Championship season, the ups and downs, the surprise results (like Sunderland 5 Southampton 0), the improvement in our team? Maybe it’s because, for the first time in ages, I haven’t backed us for the top three. I didn’t fancy us this year so, no doubt, we will do well. I will be more relaxed. The mockers are off! Update: Wonder if I should back us for the League Cup?

 

[BoroMart]

Agree on interviews especially after a loss but didn't think I did, that was an afterthought, it's more the demeanour in general that looked a bit deflated. I want him to do well & don't want him to loose confidence. He is a new manager, used to success as a player and this can't be easy for him at the minute. What wondering what support he would get from the club especially if the next few games don't go well...

I want him to feel deflated, and I'm not surprised, we've had a torrid run of results, even when playing fairly well things still seem to go against us right now.

Nothing that a bit of hard work on the training ground can't fix. We were spoiled last year, and we shouldn't expect that sort of form as the norm, but something like it in bursts could return.

I'm sure the club will stick by him, he's a talented experienced player, and I'm sure with the right support that will translate to management

 

[sambaDTR]

Carrick is a good man Manager so he will do well. Just enjoy the ups and downs of the most exciting league in the world. It could be worse, we could be in the Premier League. How boring.

 

[Borokian1876]

Carrick is a good man Manager so he will do well. Just enjoy the ups and downs of the most exciting league in the world. It could be worse, we could be in the Premier League. How boring.

Mate come on. It’s awful like when your doing well in this division it’s brilliant but for 90 percent of our time in this league it’s been a horrible depressing slog. Going to deepdale will never fill me with the same excitement of going to a premier league away day. Yes the premier league has lost its touch and fantiscm but never understood the illusion that the championship is this fun fest. Finishing mid table in the championship is depressing and soul destroying when you are used to it most seasons

 

[Glover_elbow]

No club will ever say, we are not going for promotion this season. It's not realistic to expect that.


They have talked about making the club more sustainable, they've also invested heavily in the player identification and recruitment teams. So it's pretty clear what the plan is without spelling it out. It isn't sustainable to buy ready made players, and it isn't worth getting an expensive recruitment team if it's to sign players you already know about. We are scouting young players and emerging market players, and train them to improve.


It's pretty obvious why he changed it mate, Akpom has left, and he's changed it to a pun on a current player.

Turning our backs completely on championship experience and recruiting exclusively projects is an utterly ridiculous and reckless gamble and i am afraid it will cost carrick his job. Carrick cant get a tune out of them because they lack the quality strength and mentality for this league.

We should be buying at least a few ready made players in our price range for example at left back good players like joe bryan on a free as millwall did rather than two completely untested players like engel and bangura.
This division is tough long slog for players with little experience. The club have chosen a recruitment philosophy which is flawed and left us with a squad which is no where near the standard required and is more likely to get us relegated than in the playoffs. Theres no sustainability in gambling the future of the club on projects and ending up in league 1. The club have done it for one reason only and thats because its cheap.
We have a great manager in carrick and hes been completely let down by the club. We haven't given him the tools to succeed with league1 or lower level recruitment.

 

[Borokian1876]

Turning our backs completely on championship experience and recruiting exclusively projects is an utterly ridiculous and reckless gamble and i am afraid it will cost carrick his job. Carrick cant get a tune out of them because they lack the quality strength and mentality for this league.

We should be buying at least a few ready made players in our price range for example at left back good players like joe bryan on a free as millwall did rather than two completely untested players like engel and bangura.
This division is tough long slog for players with little experience. The club have chosen a recruitment philosophy which is flawed and left us with a squad which is no where near the standard required and is more likely to get us relegated than in the playoffs. Theres no sustainability in gambling the future of the club on projects and ending up in league 1. The club have done it for one reason only and thats because its cheap.
We have a great manager in carrick and hes been completely let down by the club. We haven't given him the tools to succeed with league1 or lower level recruitment.

Spot on this utter delusion amongst our fans regarding “ transition seasons “ like it’s that easy and “ aim for promotion in two seasons” a transition season isn’t finishing mid table it’s just ****. The aim was promotion we have signed scarps from Blackpool and a poor league one standard Australian league to get us out. Your only ever 1/2 decions away from completely falling down the rabbit hole. Scott has let down everyone as expected his own real redemption act would be making January a real success and getting some big loans in and actual quality.

 

[Glover_elbow]

Spot on this utter delusion amongst our fans regarding “ transition seasons “ like it’s that easy and “ aim for promotion in two seasons” a transition season isn’t finishing mid table it’s just ****. The aim was promotion we have signed scarps from Blackpool and a poor league one standard Australian league to get us out. Your only ever 1/2 decions away from completely falling down the rabbit hole. Scott has let down everyone as expected his own real redemption act would be making January a real success and getting some big loans in and actual quality.

Transition seasons mean one thing only, a reduction in quality personnel. What normally follows a transition season is another transition season or worse still relegation its never promotion.

 

[Easterside_Red]

No club will ever say, we are not going for promotion this season. It's not realistic to expect that.

Who said anything about that? The poster said something along the lines of we were "probably" 3 months into a 3-5 year plan. That could mean anything. Promotion, Champions League qualification, PL winners. People only talk about medium to long term plans when things are not going well currently and it's an easy excuse. They seem to forget Gibson's love of a boom or bust approach to the running of the football club.

It isn't sustainable to buy ready made players, and it isn't worth getting an expensive recruitment team if it's to sign players you already know about.

We tried to sign Archer in January. He was an England U-21 International and everyone already knew about him.

We tried to sign Giles and everyone already knew about him.

We signed Deng and everyone already knew about him.

We are scouting young players and emerging market players, and train them to improve.

Emerging markets? This is not international finance mate. We signed a Brentford B team player, a player who did "ok" on loan at Blackpool last season and an Australian player from their semi-pro league. Yes I'm more enthused about Greenwood and O'Brien but then again the club already knew about them.

It's pretty obvious why he changed it mate, Akpom has left, and he's changed it to a pun on a current player.

It would only be obvious to me if I'd have known that his previous username was Cakpom. I didn't, hence the suspicion.

 

[BoroMart]

Turning our backs completely on championship experience and recruiting exclusively projects is an utterly ridiculous and reckless gamble and i am afraid it will cost carrick his job.

Dieng and O'Brien both have extensive championship experience.

We also have Smith, Fry, McNair, Clarke, Lenihan, Dijksteel, Barlaser, Howson, McGree, Crooks, Jones, Forss.

So that's FOURTEEN players with extensive championship expereince. Plus Hackney, Rogers and Coburn have a little bit of experience at this level, but less than 50 games too.

The players we lost other than Mowatt didn't have extensive championship experience, even Akpom had less than 100 games at this level

How are we 'turning our back on championship experience?'. We actually have more championship games between our squad than we did this time last year.

 

[FatFrank]

Football is a funny old game.
If Jones passes to a red shirt when we had a 3-on-1 we probably win the game and everyone is raving about our recruitment etc.

Yes - there is a huge accumulation of bed-wetting across all social media channels. Quite frankly it is an embarrassment. Carrick must be starting to see what the fans are really like when we're under the cosh.

 

[InglebyUTB]

Carrick is a good man Manager so he will do well.

Based on what?