Djed Spence

Didn't like watching him play for Boro - very frustrating!
Never seemed to release the ball at the right time.
Loved watching him at Forest - mainly dreaming about all the ££££s he was earning us:)

We've moved on 3 of our most frustrating players of the last few years IMHO - Assombolonga, Fletcher and Spence.
 
If the committed fee is just £12.5m then that is disappointing considering what other Championship players have gone to the PL for.
The add ons are a lottery. Spurs will do **** all as usual and he will probably not play enough to trigger personal performance targets. Levy will ensure he doesn't trigger any expensive clauses.
If Spurs could resell him as a disappointment for 75% as AndyW strangely believes, then surely they could have been pushed higher than a £12.5m basic fee if they really have so little to lose
It signals two things for me:
1. How desperate the club is to move him on.
2. Nobody else is bothered about signing him.

Whatever, he is going and the club should surely now be able to get on with recruitment. There is so much to do.
 
MVBoro said:
Probably as good as we can realistically get for him. We’re a bit hamstrung as he’s made it clear he only wants to go to Spurs. Maybe we could have got 15M off Forest but the window is ticking before the season starts and we desperately need some strikers. Best this gets resolved before dragging on even longer!
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I don't think we would have got £15m from Forest, they probably have higher priorities in other areas, and they couldn't take that level of risk, with him not being proven in the prem. Saying that, most of their players aren't, but at least they get that option on the ones they do buy. Maybe they would have paid half, and another few million if they stayed up.

The other problems Forest have is they wouldn't be able to commit to a long/ high value contract, and couldn't risk him not being developed enough to do well from the start, which is obviously a risk that Spurs can take. Forest need to hit the ground running, or they could be down by Christmas.

If he does have an attitude problem (which I'm not saying he does) then of any of the interested parties they probably would have paid the least, with that and the other points in mind.

I imagine they would have still took him for half that mind, but could have only offered a shorter contract and Spence would probably want a relegation release clause, with him probably thinking he's on the up, which would only screw Forest if they came back down.
 
He’s worth about 6m

In the current market with his recent profile probably 15m

12.5m is fair for our negotiating, other clubs would of got more but we can’t say we’ve been had
 
You want it done fast? Usually means getting a worse deal?

You want add ons? They always mean a lower up front fee.

Let's hope Djed is a roaring success. It's not really about him, but I'd like those add ons to pay out.
 
If he does well we'll get the £20m, if he's rubbish we did well getting £12m, already got extra with Forest promoted, doubt many would have grumbled of we sold him for £2m 12 months ago. Wish we could get £12m for all our reserves 🙂

It's pretty obvious this deal is blocking our transfers despite what we've said.
 
The Evening Standard is saying 'add ons' would make it £20m!

Personally I think add-ons should be illegal. Possible conflicts of interest.
 
indeedido said:
If the committed fee is just £12.5m then that is disappointing considering what other Championship players have gone to the PL for.
The add ons are a lottery. Spurs will do **** all as usual and he will probably not play enough to trigger personal performance targets. Levy will ensure he doesn't trigger any expensive clauses.
If Spurs could resell him as a disappointment for 75% as AndyW strangely believes, then surely they could have been pushed higher than a £12.5m basic fee if they really have so little to lose
It signals two things for me:
1. How desperate the club is to move him on.
2. Nobody else is bothered about signing him.

Whatever, he is going and the club should surely now be able to get on with recruitment. There is so much to do.
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He's only worth what clubs are willing to pay, not what we hope they will pay, and the problem is more the position he plays. There's loads of Right Back/ Wight Wing Back/ Right Midfielders around at the minute, like there always is.

Having looked on Transfermarkt there's only been one of those go from the Championship to the prem for more than 8m in the last 15 years (Matty Cash 14m).

There's been a few right wingers (Bowen, Traore, James, Townsend, Shaqiri, Bale), but all of those were clearly more proven than Spence, and Spence isn't a Right Winger.

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Clubs often buy players for higher fees than they sell for, that's what happens when you gamble, not sure why you think that's strange?

They won't pay higher than the fee they need to, why would they, and they could spend that elsewhere. Also then there's less profit if he does do well. The larger the purchase fee, the wider the gap is from 75%-100%, so effectively ends up being more risk. Obviously it's not 75% every time, but if 10 younger players similar to that ability/ value don't work out, then I imagine it would be something around that.

We are desperate to sell though, which isn't good when there's seemingly only one bid, but we should be more than happy with a 12.5m loan out sale, plus the loan fee and forest promotion bonus, and any more is big bonus.
 
12.5 up to 20 is satisfactory based on the market, which was Tottenham and nobody else, and the fact he performed at a high level at another club rather than our own and wants to leave. Also Daniel Levy is known for his stingy transfer negotiations.

I haven't done the research but players who have gone for more that 12.5 mill but I bet they have performed highly at their own club and the clubs in question would be happy to keep the player if they don't get offered the amount they think he's worth.

I'll be interested to see how he does at Tottenham. I'd be concerned about Conte tactics (high intensity) and his management style, which is definitely not arm round the shoulder stuff that Spence requires.
 
Jr. SkinnyLegs said:
I haven't done the research but players who have gone for more that 12.5 mill but I bet they have performed highly at their own club and the clubs in question would be happy to keep the player if they don't get offered the amount they think he's worth.
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That's a great point. Probably similar to us when we sold Gibson. I imagine he would have tried to keep him had the offer been poor, and he probably would have been far more willing than Spence to stick around, but the money was too much to turn down.
 
Jr. SkinnyLegs said:
I'll be interested to see how he does at Tottenham. I'd be concerned about Conte tactics (high intensity) and his management style, which is definitely not arm round the shoulder stuff that Spence requires.
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can't see him getting his game to be honest. probably bought as a home grown "number". he is also going to inevitably fall out with conte.
 
Just out of interest how much was the loan fee and Forest promotion bonus? Just trying to add the x and y to the calculation below:

£12.5m + x + y = How much we've actually made from Spence this year
 
sambaDTR said:
Seems strange that add ons for performance have been talked about but no mention about a sell on clause?
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Maybe becasue they're impossible to quantify when we say "add ons taking it up to £20 million". No one knows what he might go for in the future.

I don't think sell on clauses are worth having. I'd guess in 4 out of 5 deals, they don't trigger, so are worth nothing, and you always have to knock something off the upfront fee to get one included. They can be spectacular when they work, but on the whole, not worth it. I'm happy to offer them as a buyer; if you end up paying out then, you know your player was worth it.
 
Andy_W said:
I don't think we would have got £15m from Forest, they probably have higher priorities in other areas, and they couldn't take that level of risk, with him not being proven in the prem. Saying that, most of their players aren't, but at least they get that option on the ones they do buy. Maybe they would have paid half, and another few million if they stayed up.
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They've just spent £17m on Nico Williams, who they have far less familiarity with, he's only played 484 minutes of Premier League football.

He'd barely played Championship football.
 
sambaDTR said:
Seems strange that add ons for performance have been talked about but no mention about a sell on clause?
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Of course Spurs probably won't want a sell on clause, if they think he's got a good chance of doing well, or they think they might sell in the future.

We might not want a sell on clause if we don't think he's going to do as well as Spurs think he is, especially if it's at the expense of some other clauses which we think are more likely.

To get a sell on clause they might have wanted to knock the initial offer down by a couple of million, effectively as an insurance policy, and we probably thought the cash up front was a better deal for now, whilst we have a better chance of promotion than most other years (and a better chance if we use that cash for a good forward).

I just hope to god there's no clause in there for 10 England caps, or 1 cap in a major tournament or something daft like that, as competition is extremely tough for his position.
 
Andy_W said:
Clubs often buy players for higher fees than they sell for, that's what happens when you gamble, not sure why you think that's strange?

They won't pay higher than the fee they need to, why would they, and they could spend that elsewhere. Also then there's less profit if he does do well. The larger the purchase fee, the wider the gap is from 75%-100%, so effectively ends up being more risk. Obviously it's not 75% every time, but if 10 younger players similar to that ability/ value don't work out, then I imagine it would be something around that.

We are desperate to sell though, which isn't good when there's seemingly only one bid, but we should be more than happy with a 12.5m loan out sale, plus the loan fee and forest promotion bonus, and any more is big bonus.
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If Spence has a stinker at Spurs they will not sell him for over £9m - your 75% figure, that's what I thought was strange.
I certainly wouldn't imagine that would be the case across a large sample of players bought in Spence like circumstances who then under-perform.

re Levy, he has made some appalling buys for massive money in recent years.
It feels like he has rinsed us here.
 
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