Damn you Corbyn

Hang on, now i'm confused... ST is in favour of Brexit?... ( To the point he actually voted for the only party to guarantee Brexit would happen in some way or form)

Why then has he been been posting his daily bile trying to convince us otherwise? Guilty conscious? feeling a bit silly and/or inadequate?

I have been struggling to take you seriously of late... now I definitely can see you have been on a wind up all this time and are actually a Tory.

Come out of the closet mate, you're amongst friends... we won't judge you.
 
Youngie said:
Hang on, now i'm confused... ST is in favour of Brexit?... ( To the point he actually voted for the only party to guarantee Brexit would happen in some way or form)

Why then has he been been posting his daily bile trying to convince us otherwise? Guilty conscious? feeling a bit silly and/or inadequate?

I have been struggling to take you seriously of late... now I definitely can see you have been on a wind up all this time and are actually a Tory.

Come out of the closet mate, you're amongst friends... we won't judge you.
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In Smalltown's defence, he's admitted that he voted Conservative on a number of occasions. The party that told the people they would get Brexit done.
 
Youngie said:
Hang on, now i'm confused... ST is in favour of Brexit?... ( To the point he actually voted for the only party to guarantee Brexit would happen in some way or form)

Why then has he been been posting his daily bile trying to convince us otherwise? Guilty conscious? feeling a bit silly and/or inadequate?

I have been struggling to take you seriously of late... now I definitely can see you have been on a wind up all this time and are actually a Tory.

Come out of the closet mate, you're amongst friends... we won't judge you.
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No I'm not in favour of brexit. You're just being silly now. I've eplxained many times and in tedious detail why I voted the way I did. I have also explained that brexit would have happened regardless of who got in. You only have to so the absolute religious fervour the brexitists have to realise no political party could oppose it.

Brexitist are using my voting as a way of getting out of having to own their own mess. THEY think it's clever to deflect on to someone else however. 1: I won't stand for it so I'll always call them up on it. 2. The fact that they are desperate to blame me for their own mistakes proves it was a mistake. Unwittingly, the brexitist relentless attacks on my on this board are actually proving me right when I say how terrible it was. The fact they have to go to such desperate lengths to deflect form what they have down proves beyond doubt that even THEY know they have made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. That's where we are with brexit. The brexitists can see the mistake they have made but still can't admit it. It's sad, pathetic and so brexit.
 
SmallTown said:
Brexitist are using my voting as a way of getting out of having to own their own mess. THEY think it's clever to deflect on to someone else however. 1: I won't stand for it so I'll always call them up on it. 2. The fact that they are desperate to blame me for their own mistakes proves it was a mistake. Unwittingly, the brexitist relentless attacks on my on this board are actually proving me right when I say how terrible it was. The fact they have to go to such desperate lengths to deflect form what they have down proves beyond doubt that even THEY know they have made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. That's where we are with brexit. The brexitists can see the mistake they have made but still can't admit it. It's sad, pathetic and so brexit.
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ST, can you see how from someone elses perspective, it could also look like this is what you're doing? Deflecting from your own regretted vote by blaming all of lifes problems on brexit instead?

SmallTown said:
I have also explained that brexit would have happened regardless of who got in.
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Not sure what you're basing that on tbh. If the Libs somehow miraculously gained 300+ seats and formed a gov I'm pretty sure they'd have had the confidence to cancel brexit.

Similarly if Labour got in as a majority I'm sure they'd have felt confident about having the capital to go ahead with their "are you sure?" referendum. And if they got in as part of a coalition, any potential coalition partners would have had walking back on Brexit as a dealbreaker.
 
SmallTown said:
No I'm not in favour of brexit. You're just being silly now. I've eplxained many times and in tedious detail why I voted the way I did. I have also explained that brexit would have happened regardless of who got in. You only have to so the absolute religious fervour the brexitists have to realise no political party could oppose it.

Brexitist are using my voting as a way of getting out of having to own their own mess. THEY think it's clever to deflect on to someone else however. 1: I won't stand for it so I'll always call them up on it. 2. The fact that they are desperate to blame me for their own mistakes proves it was a mistake. Unwittingly, the brexitist relentless attacks on my on this board are actually proving me right when I say how terrible it was. The fact they have to go to such desperate lengths to deflect form what they have down proves beyond doubt that even THEY know they have made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. That's where we are with brexit. The brexitists can see the mistake they have made but still can't admit it. It's sad, pathetic and so brexit.
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And he bites…. Caught me a massive wh🎣

thanks for getting Brexit done 👍
 
Lifeboat Brexit and it’s crew have begun to realise that they’re not going to reach the land they were promised, and with no destination in sight …the food that fed their delusions is running out.
Soon they will start to eating each other…it’s already beginning.
 
SuperStu said:
ST, can you see how from someone elses perspective, it could also look like this is what you're doing? Deflecting from your own regretted vote by blaming all of lifes problems on brexit instead?



Not sure what you're basing that on tbh. If the Libs somehow miraculously gained 300+ seats and formed a gov I'm pretty sure they'd have had the confidence to cancel brexit.

Similarly if Labour got in as a majority I'm sure they'd have felt confident about having the capital to go ahead with their "are you sure?" referendum. And if they got in as part of a coalition, any potential coalition partners would have had walking back on Brexit as a dealbreaker.
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That would be the case if I hadn't already admitted my voting was a mistake and how I regretted it. If I hadn't confessed I was naive to vote on local issues and ignore the big one then yes what you are saying would make sense.

As for not executing brexit: Realistically there are only 2 parties that could have formed a government at the last election. Both of them would have brexited. I honestly still believe that. Labours lack of attack on brexit is helping me form that opinion.

I agree the Lib Dems MIGHT have been able to stop it. But it was extremely unlikely they would have got in and, as we have seen from how unreasonable, partizan and lacking in logic or compassion, your average brexiter is. It would have still been a struggle for them to reverse the decision. Brexitist are an angry lot and there would have been rioting. Some of them even threatened as much.
 
SmallTown said:
I honestly still believe that. Labours lack of attack on brexit is helping me form that opinion.
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But they don't attack Brexit now because the election result indicated so strongly the country wanted brexit to happen.

In a hypothetical scenario where the country had voted for Labour and their second referendum policy you'd have the opposite outcome. Tory politicians would be changing their position/talking points to match what the country seem to want.

Funnily enough, Labour are now not attacking brexit specifically to target people like you! People who don't usually vote tory but did for the brexit election.
 
SmallTown said:
As for not executing brexit: Realistically there are only 2 parties that could have formed a government at the last election. Both of them would have brexited. I honestly still believe that. Labours lack of attack on brexit is helping me form that opinion.
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I think my hope was for Corbyn to get in, strike a deal with the EU, bring it back to the people and allow them to vote on the deal A second referendum all but in name.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I think my hope was for Corbyn to get in, strike a deal with the EU, bring it back to the people and allow them to vote on the deal A second referendum all but in name.
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I just couldn't and can't see it due to the nature of the brexitist. I genuinely think now the way I did then and if Labour got in we would STILL have had Brexit. But you may be right and with hindsight Labour would definitely have been able to deliver a better Brexit for the British people. If only for the fact that they couldn't have delivered a worse one. I admit I was wrong to vote the way I did. The only consolation is that due to our FPTP system my vote didn't count but that doesn't mean I don't regret it.
 
SmallTown said:
I just couldn't and can't see it due to the nature of the brexitist. I genuinely think now the way I did then and if Labour got in we would STILL have had Brexit. But you may be right and with hindsight Labour would definitely have been able to deliver a better Brexit for the British people. If only for the fact that they couldn't have delivered a worse one. I admit I was wrong to vote the way I did. The only consolation is that due to our FPTP system my vote didn't count but that doesn't mean I don't regret it.
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Let’s face it, they will be no winners in this and no one can claim the higher ground. This is one of the reasons I go up against you. Even though we both voted to remain, we have nothing to be smug about other than to say, I told you so.

As I said earlier, I’ve took early retirement recently and thought I would be living in France. It is no good whining though on what could have been. We all need to move on and come together as one.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Let’s face it, they will be no winners in this and no one can claim the higher ground. This is one of the reasons I go up against you. Even though we both voted to remain, we have nothing to be smug about other than to say, I told you so.

As I said earlier, I’ve took early retirement recently and thought I would be living in France. It is no good whining though on what could have been. We all need to move on and come together as one.
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I think we only disagree on the last bit. and then only partially. I struggle to move on. It's hard when so much has been lost and so many can't even acknowledge it. If, like I have with my Tory vote, more brexiters could admit their mistakes then yes we could move on. The issue I have is the first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. I simply can't see how the country can move on when some people are denying things like food shortages and job losses. We need a bit more honesty and decency from the brexitists before we can move on.
 
SmallTown said:
I think we only disagree on the last bit. and then only partially. I struggle to move on. It's hard when so much has been lost and so many can't even acknowledge it. If, like I have with my Tory vote, more brexiters could admit their mistakes then yes we could move on. The issue I have is the first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. I simply can't see how the country can move on when some people are denying things like food shortages and job losses. We need a bit more honesty and decency from the brexitists before we can move on.
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Can you see though how some of your post gets the backs up on some Brexiteers (I don’t expect you to answer that), I am sure you could be a little more subtle in your approach, you are more than clever enough.

As it said in the Bible, let him without sin cast the first stone.

We have all made mistakes, it is now time to forgive and move on. Holding grudges only holds us as a person back.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you see though how some of your post gets the backs up on some Brexiteers (I don’t expect you to answer that), I am sure you could be a little more subtle in your approach, you are more than clever enough.

As it said in the Bible, let him without sin cast the first stone.

We have all made mistakes, it is now time to forgive and move on. Holding grudges only holds us as a person back.
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I understand all that and of course I could be more subtle. My forthright nature reflects a genuine anger at the situation and frustration at those that continue to defend it. It is incomprehensible to me how even though most hardened brexitist can't look at what's going on and say something isn't right.
 
SmallTown said:
I think we only disagree on the last bit. and then only partially. I struggle to move on. It's hard when so much has been lost and so many can't even acknowledge it. If, like I have with my Tory vote, more brexiters could admit their mistakes then yes we could move on. The issue I have is the first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. I simply can't see how the country can move on when some people are denying things like food shortages and job losses. We need a bit more honesty and decency from the brexitists before we can move on.
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And by that token, don’t we need more respect and cessation of accusations of lack of intelligence towards Brexit voters from the staunch remainers? It takes everyone to move on, not just those on the other side.

You show so little respect to anyone not agreeing with your world view, as soon as you are challenged you resort to obfuscation, deflection and sneering condescension. Maybe you need to reflect on that a little bit more - admitting you were duped by the Tory party is a good start, although you’ll need to move on from still offering an excuse (voted on local issues, FPTP means my vote was irrelevant).
 
Imagine voting in a referendum that wasn’t properly quantified.

Imagine voting for a party that opposed the outcome of the referendum but then changed to remain in power.

Imagine ignoring all warning signs that Brexit was going to be a disaster and voting for that party.

Imagine believing the words of a serial liar.

Imagine being promised one thing and being delivered something completely different.

Imagine whinging about health service cuts, poor crime and punishment figures, increasing debt, decreasing standard of living, failing our children and future generations, looking forward to an increasingly bleak retirement.

Imagine accepting higher taxation for less benefit whilst the richest in society pay a pittance and continue to hoard wealth with the assistance of a corrupt government.

Imagine being unable to accept the fact that you were warned this would happen and the pantomime villan who you mocked and ridiculed was right all along and could have improved your life.
 
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