Damn you Corbyn
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Ex pfc wintergreen
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On here once is enough to damn you forever.
Jedi boro
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Not bogus btw at he’s never hidden his euro scepticism so not sure your point.
Colin Warnek
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The duped Tory voters probably still are blaming Corbyn.
BlindBoyGrunt
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It is bogus though and he explained why in his post. Corbyn campaigned more than anyone. He also expressed that he was about 7/10th in favour of the EU which to me is an honest stance. Anyone, on either side of the argument who say that they can see nothing at all wrong/right with EU membership are probably just lying. Nobody can be 100%.
BoroMart
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Oh he often does find himself on the right side of history for the right reasons, but on this particular brexit occasion more by accident than design.
festa5
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Are you saying it's possible to be a bit of Eurosceptic and still be against brexit. That some could weigh up the pros and cons of being in the EU, realise that although there were cons, the pros outweighed them and therefore be in favour of remaining? Madness
One of the many problems the remain campaign faced mind. Few remainers think the EU is perfect. Far from it. But they knew being part of it was far preferable to the alternative.
"Not perfect but better than the alternative" isn't a great vote winning slogan though is it? You wouldn't stick it on the side of a bus.
BlindBoyGrunt
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I'm saying that you can be pro EU but acknowledge that there is room for improvement; in such a huge organisation I would expect nothing else.Are you saying it's possible to be a bit of Eurosceptic and still be against brexit. That some could weigh up the pros and cons of being in the EU, realise that although there were cons, the pros outweighed them and therefore be in favour of remaining? Madness
One of the many problems the remain campaign faced mind. Few remainers think the EU is perfect. Far from it. But they knew being part of it was far preferable to the alternative.
"Not perfect but better than the alternative" isn't a great vote winning slogan though is it? You wouldn't stick it on the side of a bus.
I'm saying that it's possible to be anti EU but recognise that it had good points.
I'm saying to claim to be 100% pro EU and not admit that improvements can be found is dishonest. Or madness.
Jedi boro
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Yes you can but corbyn has never been pro eu that’s the point. He played the game but in name only.
hey I'm No Tory I’m just stating a fact here that a few seem determined to try and alter.
now if you’d have said Ken Clark then fair enough as bigger eu fan you’ll be hard to find and for a Tory that was rare.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Regardless of what was reported Corbyn said that he was 70% in favour of EU membership. He recognised like many did that there was room for improvement.
He was once again on the right side of history, and not by accident.
BlindBoyGrunt
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You seem determined to ignore his sheer volume of pro EU campaigning. Regardless of his own views on EU membership he said it was "clear that the party was “overwhelmingly convinced” that being part of the bloc was in the best interests of the country on issues such as workers’ rights and the environment.
There remained serious “shortcomings” that needed to be addressed by Brussels, such as the proposed trade deal with the US which gave “huge cause for concern” about the potential for privatisation of public services, he warned.
All of those could be better dealt with, however, by remaining in the EU “warts and all” rather than by pulling out and leaving the country at the mercy of the Conservatives, he argued."
Once again an extremely priscient statement and once again on the right side of history.
Corbyn contributed to the success of the Brexit campaign with his ridiculous shameful fence sitting.
Labour's policy was to not have a policy so what influence they might have had just wafted around like a long blocked drain.
Garbage, sorry.
Corbyn never stood behind anything.
Labour under his direction were so riven with division that even if they did have anything concrete to add (which they didn't) to the Brexit debate it became buried under amongst other things his refusal to react to the anti-semitism in the Party.
festa5
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I think I was agreeing with you?
Norman_Conquest
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But we have and I am not prepared to go down it again.
You admitted to me, which I found hilarious, that you voted for the Conservatives in the election after the Brexit referendum. You must have known or had inkling that they would be like in government and the type of Brexit they would go for? I know I felt they would take us over the edge, we had been well warned.
Edit: I wrote that earlier, but my son came to visit.
SmallTown
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Unless you voted brexif of course. Then it's directly your fault.According to some on here,if you vote Tory you are responsible by proxy because you put them in office, having never voted Tory I'm in the clear,feels good.
SmallTown
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Brexit would have happened regardless of the government. There are too many extremely vocal and impossible to convince people for any government not to have to execute it.
You accused me of voting for a government that promised a referendum on brexit in this thread. You were wrong.
SmallTown
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It's not what I voted for. Which I've explained multiple times. Once again you disappoint me. I can understand the brexitists continuing this line because it takes the heat of the disaster away from them. I'm really disappointed someone like you continues with the irritating and fruitless "ner but you voted Tory" rubbish.
Especially after I have explained myself and Rob has even told you to knock it off.
Ex pfc wintergreen
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Don’t
Don’t complain if you sell someone a gun and they use it against you.
Weasel words, don’t shirk your responsibility , you put them in office and gave them the means,, no election win no brexit.
Don’t complain if you sell someone a gun and they use it against you.
SmallTown
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Actually it's not weasel words it's basic common sense and it's actually insane you're trying to argue against it. But I guess that's brexit. There's no logic or intelligence there.Don’t
Weasel words, don’t shirk your responsibility , you put them in office and gave them the means,, no election win no brexit.
Don’t complain if you sell someone a gun and they use it against you.
To be clear: you voted for brexit you're responsible for brexit. The fact you think you can argue otherwise shows how ridiculous this country is that people can actually argue blue is yellow.
Whoever got in last time brexit would have happened. Because of people entirely lacking in common sense like you're showing here