Damn you Corbyn

SmallTown said:
Brexit would have happened regardless of the government. There are too many extremely vocal and impossible to convince people for any government not to have to execute it.

You accused me of voting for a government that promised a referendum on brexit in this thread. You were wrong.
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Can you clarify something for me in this post? Am I right in thinking you mean after the referendum when you say 'Brexit would have happened regardless of the government.'

Regarding the last line, I never accused you of voting for a government that promised a referendum on Brexit. I have accused you of voting for a government that pushed the country off the cliff after the referendum.

I agree in your other thread that Brexit would have happened no matter who was in government, but at the time, I was aware of the government that wanted a hard Brexit.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you clarify something for me in this post? Am I right in thinking you mean after the referendum when you say 'Brexit would have happened regardless of the government.'

Regarding the last line, I never accused you of voting for a government that promised a referendum on Brexit. I have accused you of voting for a government that pushed the country off the cliff after the referendum.

I agree in your other thread that Brexit would have happened no matter who was in government, but at the time, I was aware of the government that wanted a hard Brexit.
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You actually did accuse me of voting for the party that promised the referendum. Glad to correct you.
 
SmallTown said:
You actually did accuse me of voting for the party that promised the referendum. Glad to correct you.
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Can you please copy and post this accusation for me, I cannot remember doing that. If I did, I apologise, you have always made it clear that is something you didn't do and that you voted for the Conservatives during the election after the referendum.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you please copy and post this accusation for me, I cannot remember doing that. If I did, I apologise, you have always made it clear that is something you didn't do and that you voted for the Conservatives during the election after the referendum.
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Good. Apology accepted.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Of course it is the people who voted for Brexit fault, but the people who voted for the Conservatives in the first place must also shoulder some responsibility. This allowed David Cameron to think he was more popular with the voters than he was and he gambled with our future. It won't impact on him, he is rich enough that it won't hurt his pocket, but it is already impacted on our lives and will continue to do so. Things are going to get very hard for us all. The common man in the street fell for the Brexit lies and voted against the establishment. None of this would have happened if the Tories had not been put in power in the first place.

You and I have been down this line on many occasions and I know we will never agree, but you need to shoulder some of the blame for Brexit.
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Given you were directly addressing me this sounded like an accusation.

But you've clarified it wasn't and apologised now. I appreciate that.
 
SmallTown said:
Actually it's not weasel words it's basic common sense and it's actually insane you're trying to argue against it. But I guess that's brexit. There's no logic or intelligence there.

To be clear: you voted for brexit you're responsible for brexit. The fact you think you can argue otherwise shows how ridiculous this country is that people can actually argue blue is yellow.

Whoever got in last time brexit would have happened. Because of people entirely lacking in common sense like you're showing here
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Weasel words again… I voted brexit and I’ll accept the consequences, it’s called having the courage of your convictions. Your deflections won’t work here.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
Weasel words again… I voted brexit and I’ll accept the consequences, it’s called having the courage of your convictions. Your deflections won’t work here.
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It's not a deflection. You voted brexit so you are responsible for it. And all its failures. So thanks for that.

At least you have admitted it. You can still apologise for the mess you've left the country in
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Well, I have nothing to be apologetic about - an apology is not needed.
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Well for what you inferred. But yes, you did that very clever thing of woridng it so when I call you out you can pretend to take the moral high ground with the classic "I didn't say that"

Well done
 
SmallTown said:
Well for what you inferred. But yes, you did that very clever thing of woridng it so when I call you out you can pretend to take the moral high ground with the classic "I didn't say that"

Well done
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You need help mate or take a step away from Brexit for a few days. I haven't inferred anything or tried to take the moral high ground. If anything, I have tried to be over polite towards you. I sometimes think you just try to get a reaction from people.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
You need help mate or take a step away from Brexit for a few days. I haven't inferred anything or tried to take the moral high ground. If anything, I have tried to be over polite towards you. I sometimes think you just try to get a reaction from people.
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I don't try and get a reaction from people. And apologies that I misunderstood your post.

The problem is its getting pathetic now that the brexiteers have a get out and can just ignore any argument by saying "you voted Tory" as I mentioned Rob has had words and it adds nothing to the debate behind allowing people not to own up to their own mistakes. You've done that before many times to me so I assumed you were doing it again.
 
SmallTown said:
It's not a deflection. You voted brexit so you are responsible for it. And all its failures. So thanks for that.

At least you have admitted it. You can still apologise for the mess you've left the country in
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I’m not feeling it so no.‘😁
I don’t want to get into arguments I’ve just come of a three week ban for what I don’t know, so all I’ll say is people have the right to vote anyway they want, some may not agree with their decision some will, it’s called democracy. Good luck for the future.👍
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you please copy and post this accusation for me, I cannot remember doing that. If I did, I apologise, you have always made it clear that is something you didn't do and that you voted for the Conservatives during the election after the referendum.
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I never either btw

I said “anyone” voting for this Tory govt could have no doubt what so ever what they were voting for and that was a hard over cliff brexit

that would seriously disadvantage a large proportion of this country.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I never either btw

I said “anyone” voting for this Tory govt could have no doubt what so ever what they were voting for and that was a hard over cliff brexit

that would seriously disadvantage a large proportion of this country.
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Look at them all trying to backtrack.

You're wrong about a Tory vote being a definite vote for a hard brexit BTW

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?
 
SmallTown said:
You're wrong about a Tory vote being a definite vote for a hard brexit BTW
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No no I’m not they never hid it

writing it on the digger wasn’t exactly subtle

by the way I’m not back tracking on anything I stand by every word
 
www.euronews.com

Johnson unveils 'Get Brexit Done' manifesto — key points at a glance

The Conservatives pledge headline tax freezes and money to fix pot-holes in the roads, as well as Britain's much-delayed exit from the EU.
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Boris Johnson promised £23.5 billion (€27.4 billion) worth of public spending and tax relief on Sunday as he unveiled the Conservative manifesto with a promise that Britain will be out of the European Union by January 31.

Yes who knew
 
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