Dairy and meat exports down 96% due to Brexit

**** me the Randy's of the world? 😂 I'm not defending anything. Damaging my own livelihood? Yeah there are only two things to blame for that, Tories and lockdowns. None of which I voted for unlike some.

Our business is picking back up considering we are operating with one hand tied behind our backs. Once we open fully on the 17th of next month we'll be back to business as usual, we've been having to turn people away as we only have enough room for 35 people outside. People want to and will go out and have a good time, that isn't going to change because of brexit as much as it will annoy some people.
So, to explain. Brexit IS damaging the economy. We now know this for a fact. This will trickle down. Jobs will be lost and produce will become more expensive. When that happens people will have to reign things in and hospitality will be one of those things. Therefore it'll adversely affect your livelihood. I can't belive we still have to explain this but there it is. Brexit will directly affect you
 
Do you not find that people are also changing their habits due to a general wake up call?

We haven't been affected by the pandemic financially, we're actually better off (or were until I stopped working). We've looked at cutting consumption to combat climate change, meat eating is right down, despite our better financial situation, and there are many in the same boat, with transport costs being slashed as commuting has stopped.
I reckon this is a fair part of it too, but also falls into the category of the "farmers should have known their market". No doubt some brexiteers think they can just swap from beef to wheat in a day though, and then ship that to some imaginary market abroad (that doesn't have their own suppliers already)!

I've certainly gone more healthy and I reckon half of my friends have, cutting down booze too, but I also know a load of others who have been living on booze and take-aways! Most seem to have gone either way haha!

The thing is for me, if I go to a restaurant I'm more likely to be eating more bread, pasta and foreign food like curry, chinese, pizza or Italian. But I've not been going out so I've been at home having a chicken/ beef/ lamb dinner every week (and having a much, much larger meat portion), and eating a pack of chicken breasts a week. If anything my meat-eating has gone up, except it's in a more controlled and healthily cooked way.
 
Where is this "lost market" in the EU though?

How many foreign people go for "an English" in the EU? Not many I bet. But I bet UK expats (immigrants) have still been going out for their British grub or buying their normal versions of it?

British tourism is no doubt down, and we all know brits abread love to eat British food on holiday, so that market will be down, but home consumption should have then gone up? Or have they stopped eating British in Spain, and are now eating Spanish in England?
 
People want to and will go out and have a good time, that isn't going to change because of brexit as much as it will annoy some people.
People will want to, whether they can afford to is a different matter, hard to maintain expenditure if jobs go down and if exports go down then this is a certainty. The thing then is, in times of hardship, what is least essential then gets hit hardest, and hit first, just like it did with the lockdowns.

Anyway, why would people going out and having a good time annoy anyone, surely everyone wants this?
Remainers make up a massive portion of the demographic that is more likely to be going/ eating out / spending more, more often.

Once over 18, the older you get, the more likely you are to vote Brexit, and the more likely you are to not be eating/ drinking out, or as often.
 
For farmers, it was a legitimate position to want us out of CAP, but not out of the Internal Market.

So EFTA might have had some overall advantages.

Those farmers who wanted us out of the Internal Market as well as the Common Agricultural Policy were, frankly, stupidly ignorant of the repercussions.

The thing is, Brexit wasn't defined.

If the Brexit campaigners had defined Brexit with a plan that was clear, careful and well thought out, one that proposed moving in stages to disentangle the rules, supply chains and customer bases that had been on a steady path of integration for 45 years, one that took the logical first step of leaving the EU, but joining EFTA for a few years. If the Brexit campaigners had done this, then we would not have had Remainers feeling so resentful that the referendum was won on a great deception. We would have accepted that legitimate, equal choices had been put to the electorate, debated fairly and would have accepted the decision with grace.

If, after offering this plan to an electorate who therefore based their vote on it, the post referendum governments had reneged on it and took us out of the Single Market altogether, put a border in the Irish Sea, left Erasmus, Euratom, Horizon 2020, Gallileo, with no ready alternatives in place, then Remainers ire would be directed almost entirely at that government and not at those who had voted for Brexit. I say almost entirely, because it would still be legitimate to ask why people who voted for inveterate liars like Johnson and Gove expected them to keep their word.

The thing is, such a plan was not on offer. Such a plan existed, but it was in fact rejected by Cummings and co., deliberately, in favour of no plan.

So if you voted Leave in the hope of Flexcit/EFTA you were rolling a dice, one weighted against you, for small reward, but big negative outcomes.

This is a combination of a lot of ignorance, poor analysis, a flawed decision making process and some very bad maths.

That said, it should be taken for granted that the people advocating a certain course of action, a huge decision, actually knew what they were talking about and had a well thought out plan to execute the decision. In that respect I have some sympathy for Leave voters. However, they were repeatedly, for four years, asked what that plan was, were tested on background knowledge, questioned on consequences and were found always wanting. Those Leave voters unable to take a step back and listen to these questions and the avoidance of answers and not say hang on a minute, maybe we should pause, see the deal and double check with the people this is what they want, they are responsible just as much as the Brexit conmen who preyed on their ignorance and emotion.
 
So, to explain. Brexit IS damaging the economy. We now know this for a fact. This will trickle down. Jobs will be lost and produce will become more expensive. When that happens people will have to reign things in and hospitality will be one of those things. Therefore it'll adversely affect your livelihood. I can't belive we still have to explain this but there it is. Brexit will directly affect you
You know this for an absolute fact do you?

Hospitality survived a worldwide recession, in fact in this country it is widely believed that the hospitality industry helped the country out of the recession more so than some other industries (source from the head the of UK Hospitality).

Hospitality has been around since medieval times, brexit isn't going to kill it man. 😎
 
You know this for an absolute fact do you?

Hospitality survived a worldwide recession, in fact in this country it is widely believed that the hospitality industry helped the country out of the recession (source from the head the of UK Hospitality).

Hospitality has been around since medieval times, brexit isn't going to kill it man. 😎
I know the first part for an absolute fact yes. The first article in this post is helping explain it. The rest of it, well you explain any other time in human history where the economy of a country was destroyed and it didn't have the knock on effects described.
 
I know the first part for an absolute fact yes. The first article in this post is helping explain it. The rest of it, well you explain any other time in human history where the economy of a country was destroyed and it didn't have the knock on effects described.
Hospitality will be fine.
I'm not worried, my employer isn't worried, I've recently received a salary increase for example. Also my trade has a critical shortage of fully qualified and competent chefs so if the worst was to happen and my business closed, which isn't looking likely anytime soon, I'll simply move onto another one. I could quit my job today and start a new one on Thursday, that's how many chef jobs are out there at the moment, DURING a pandemic.
 
Hospitality will be fine.
I'm not worried, my employer isn't worried, I've recently received a salary increase for example. Also my trade has a critical shortage of fully qualified and competent chefs so if the worst was to happen and my business closed, which isn't looking likely anytime soon, I'll simply move onto another one. I could quit my job today and start a new one on Thursday, that's how many chef jobs are out there at the moment, DURING a pandemic.
Head in the sand. How peak Brexit of you
 
I could quit my job today and start a new one on Thursday, that's how many chef jobs are out there at the moment, DURING a pandemic.
Lovely.

Jobs are being lost through Brexit, the effect is being masked by the pandemic as it is difficult to disentangle the two. Have you been to the High Street yet? Quite a few shops are still closed and will remain so. So whilst "hospitality" is currently doing alright. Indeed the shortage of chefs is probably Brexit influenced, not many unemployed people dine out in restaurants, they won't be going to pubs or the cinema, etc. That is how a downward spiral starts. I've been there, in Thatcher's Britain, trust me it will catch up with you in your Ivory Tower and you wont be laughing "I'm alright" when it does.
 
Lovely.

Jobs are being lost through Brexit, the effect is being masked by the pandemic as it is difficult to disentangle the two. Have you been to the High Street yet? Quite a few shops are still closed and will remain so. So whilst "hospitality" is currently doing alright. Indeed the shortage of chefs is probably Brexit influenced, not many unemployed people dine out in restaurants, they won't be going to pubs or the cinema, etc. That is how a downward spiral starts. I've been there, in Thatcher's Britain, trust me it will catch up with you in your Ivory Tower and you wont be laughing "I'm alright" when it does.
Shortage of chefs isn't brexit based at all. It's been the case for ten years now. The high street has been on its **** well before Brexit arrived, that's the fault of generations of politicians, blue, red and yellow. You lived through Thatcher's Britain and survived. So did my parents.

Ivory tower? Ok. I'll always be alright, you know why? Because I have my health, my family is healthy and that's all that matters in the grand scheme of life.

@SmallTown YOU voted Tory. YOU have absolutely no right to judge how others think about this current government and its failures of which there are too many to list. YOU helped put them there. YOU knew they were all about Brexit yet went and voted for them anyways and now your banging the remain drum? I've no guilt at all, never voted Tory in my life and never took part in the Brexit vote. You feel so strongly about it go and do something about it. Put yourself up for election in your local constituency, enact change from within instead of shouting in the FMTTM echo chamber about Brexit killing everybody.
 
Lovely.

Jobs are being lost through Brexit, the effect is being masked by the pandemic as it is difficult to disentangle the two. Have you been to the High Street yet? Quite a few shops are still closed and will remain so. So whilst "hospitality" is currently doing alright. Indeed the shortage of chefs is probably Brexit influenced, not many unemployed people dine out in restaurants, they won't be going to pubs or the cinema, etc. That is how a downward spiral starts. I've been there, in Thatcher's Britain, trust me it will catch up with you in your Ivory Tower and you wont be laughing "I'm alright" when it does.
I think deep down even he knows this. He's just chosen ignorance until it happens. This is Brexit Britain in a nutshell.

First they came for the salmon farmers, and I didn't speak up....
 
You lived through Thatcher's Britain and survived. So did my parents.
Yeah and it was shidt. Many didn't "survive", communities were abandoned, an underclass was created of the "unemployed" that exists to the day, chavs. A divided Britain, the one you live in was created. And you know who they blamed it on? The Unions, the work shy workers, you and I.
Ivory tower? Ok. I'll always be alright, you know why? Because I have my health, my family is healthy and that's all that matters in the grand scheme of life.
Odd because a few months ago you were wittering on about the damage that lockdown was doing to people's mental health. How do you think unemployment makes people feel about themselves? You think that your family would be untouched by an economic downturn? I know mine already has. But hey you have your health and nothing could possibly go wrong...
 
Yeah and it was shidt. Many didn't "survive", communities were abandoned, an underclass was created of the "unemployed" that exists to the day, chavs. A divided Britain, the one you live in was created. And you know who they blamed it on? The Unions, the work shy workers, you and I.

Odd because a few months ago you were wittering on about the damage that lockdown was doing to people's mental health. How do you think unemployment makes people feel about themselves? You think that your family would be untouched by an economic downturn? I know mine already has. But hey you have your health and nothing could possibly go wrong...
Wittering? What a lovely term to describe what people were going through as a direct result of lockdown.

I've been unemployed before, it's not pleasant, what are you doing to help those who are struggling? Do you donate £10 of your monthly shop to a food bank? We do for example as even though it's a small amount we know a struggling family will be grateful. Government isn't going to help us all, that much is painfully obvious.
 
Wittering? What a lovely term to describe what people were going through as a direct result of lockdown.

I've been unemployed before, it's not pleasant, what are you doing to help those who are struggling? Do you donate £10 of your monthly shop to a food bank? We do for example as even though it's a small amount we know a struggling family will be grateful. Government isn't going to help us all, that much is painfully obvious.
You're deflecting from the issue. It's pretty sad you have to try and attack Muttley to deflect from the economic damage that Brexit is doing.
 
Shortage of chefs isn't brexit based at all. It's been the case for ten years now. The high street has been on its **** well before Brexit arrived, that's the fault of generations of politicians, blue, red and yellow. You lived through Thatcher's Britain and survived. So did my parents.

Ivory tower? Ok. I'll always be alright, you know why? Because I have my health, my family is healthy and that's all that matters in the grand scheme of life.

@SmallTown YOU voted Tory. YOU have absolutely no right to judge how others think about this current government and its failures of which there are too many to list. YOU helped put them there. YOU knew they were all about Brexit yet went and voted for them anyways and now your banging the remain drum? I've no guilt at all, never voted Tory in my life and never took part in the Brexit vote. You feel so strongly about it go and do something about it. Put yourself up for election in your local constituency, enact change from within instead of shouting in the FMTTM echo chamber about Brexit killing everybody.
Randy- I don't know if you have ever been out of work for any length of time- I have- unfortunately on a number of occasions. I really hope you do not lose your job but please don't be so blase about having your health. Because when a person loses their job his/her health is the first thing that suffers, followed very quickly by the health of the family. I know, I speak from experience and I still take meds for my mental health 6 years into retirement. Those periods of unemployment cost us dearly in lost pensions, cashing in insurance policies early, borrowing from insurance policies, not being able to put something away. It really does affect your health, both physical and mental and it affects the health of those around you too.
This is the mark of the Thatcher years, where people scrabbled over menial jobs, where queues for applications forms for jobs went round blocks of buildings. Where employers paid a pittance because there were millions of others who would take it, out of desperation
Labour had only just started to turn it round when the banks had their say and people blamed Brown for the resulting recession.
If we were honest with ourselves, the North East has never got out of recession and certainly no Tory would ever help us
 
Wittering? What a lovely term to describe what people were going through as a direct result of lockdown.
OK, complaining. You can either address a single word in my statement that makes you feel a little inadequate or address your own double standards.

Interesting and informative choice.
 
You're deflecting from the issue. It's pretty sad you have to try and attack Muttley to deflect from the economic damage that Brexit is doing.
He attacked first.

You know what I'm out.

The usual suspects making out I'm saying something that I'm not. Nowhere in this thread did I deny that brexit was cause of loss of trade, show me a post where I did? All I said was that covid was to blame as well.

@Muttley would my family be affected by an economic downturn? More than likely. What would you like me to do about it? Please, ideas?
 
Randy- I don't know if you have ever been out of work for any length of time- I have- unfortunately on a number of occasions. I really hope you do not lose your job but please don't be so blase about having your health. Because when a person loses their job his/her health is the first thing that suffers, followed very quickly by the health of the family. I know, I speak from experience and I still take meds for my mental health 6 years into retirement. Those periods of unemployment cost us dearly in lost pensions, cashing in insurance policies early, borrowing from insurance policies, not being able to put something away. It really does affect your health, both physical and mental and it affects the health of those around you too.
This is the mark of the Thatcher years, where people scrabbled over menial jobs, where queues for applications forms for jobs went round blocks of buildings. Where employers paid a pittance because there were millions of others who would take it, out of desperation
Labour had only just started to turn it round when the banks had their say and people blamed Brown for the resulting recession.
If we were honest with ourselves, the North East has never got out of recession and certainly no Tory would ever help us
Respect Trug for a reasoned response.
Yes I've been unemployed before and yes I shared similar experiences to you. It's probably why I'll never trust a politician ever again.
 
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