Dairy and meat exports down 96% due to Brexit

[Randy]

Another cop out. These politicians were voted in on the back of Brexit. If you voted for Brexit then you’re complicit.

I didn't take part in the brexit vote. I also voted for an independent at the last general election just on the off chance that people would see the picture wasn't going to change with the Tory party but unfortunately Rishi was voted in again representing the Tory party.

 

[SmallTown]

Because your like a rabid dog, he gave an opinion. the 96% fall off isnt all brexit, a large part is, but some is reduced consumption because of a world pandemic. He didn't deny the effects of brexit, he suggested that there may be other factors in play. as well as trade barriers... and, using your words you took umbrage, oh do grow up.

A world pandemic doesn't effect exports from coutry to country? Really that's your opinion based on a line in the article saying it was looking only at the brexit effect. It took me 2 minutes to find that meat production is down across the entire EU due to a drop in demand. That suggests that even without brexit, demand dropped by nearly 20% across Europe.

You took the article at face value because it fits your world view, fine run with that, it's harmless, but take umbrage, really.


It's like walking past a schoolyard and seeing a load of kids in a gang name calling the kid on his own.

It's not at all. I've explained why people were upset. You didn't like my explanation so you thought you'd rather moan about me and make up some "ganging up story to deflect from the main story. Which is how badly Brexit is affecting our exports.

You don't like this simple, honest to goodness truth so you have to make up some nonsense about ganging up to deflect from it. You're the problem here

 

[SmallTown]

Again, you voted for it. I didn't.

And yes if it makes you feel better I am alright. Couldy family be better? Sure. If our lives get worse then me and my wife, who I've been married to for 4 years and been with for 11, will deal with it like we've dealt with the many other things we've had to deal with during our lives, some of which you couldn't even begin to understand.

I 100% did not vote for brexit. You know this one for a fact. Therefore you are actually actively lying about me now. Which is how all these things end up I guess. Funny how it's always the ones deflecting from brexit who start the lying though.

 

[Randy]

I 100% did not vote for brexit. You know this one for a fact. Therefore you are actually actively lying about me now. Which is how all these things end up I guess. Funny how it's always the ones deflecting from brexit who start the lying though.

Again. Didn't take part in the vote for brexit. Again didn't vote for the Tories who's main point during the election was, and I quote, "get brexit done".

 

[SmallTown]

Again. Didn't take part in the vote for brexit. Again didn't vote for the Tories who's main point during the election was, and I quote, "get brexit done".

I'm not saying you did. I'm saying you're deflecting from the disaster that it's causing. This time by lying about me.

You still are. You've get to worry about people trying to deflect from such a disaster. Especially ones like you. Totally apathetic to the situation four years ago. And now expanding a lot of energy to deflect from how bad it is. Utterly poor form from you.

 

[Randy]

I'm not saying you did. I'm saying you're deflecting from the disaster that it's causing. This time by lying about me.

You still are. You've get to worry about people trying to deflect from such a disaster. Especially ones like you. Totally apathetic to the situation four years ago. And now expanding a lot of energy to deflect from how bad it is. Utterly poor form from you.

Did you vote Tory at the last election? Yes or no?

A vote for the conservatives was a vote for brexit, for more cuts to vital community services, for more dodgy deals, for more punishment of the poor and disabled, for more people relying on state handouts and food banks, for more destruction of the NHS, for more cuts to police, fire fighting and paramedic services, for more of our money given to donors in a brown envelope under the table of a wine bar, for less affordable housing causing generations rely on costly rented properties for a roof over their heads, for not dealing with the drugs epidemic in this country, for letting food safety standards potentially fall, for punishing farmers who work 18 hour days 365 days of the year just to have their hard work thrown in their faces.

Give me ONE good reason why anybody would ever vote for a party that doesn't give a **** about the public it's supposed to serve.

 

[Soutra]

Did you vote Tory at the last election? Yes or no?


Give me ONE good reason why anybody would ever vote for a party that doesn't give a **** about the public it's supposed to serve.

If you live in England, what is the alternative? Labour, with no discernible policies, no sign of dealing with 10 year old issues, no opposition to HM Government, no leadership and drifting from one stumble to another? Libdem, who constantly seem to be vacillating between wanting to be in Europe and the reality of Brexit? Greens - hoping Greta Thunberg to settle in the UK and become party leader?

Right now there's no alternative to the Tories in England. In Scotland I can vote SNP, who are seen to be less incompetent than Tories and Labour.

Politics is at a low ebb.

 

[Randy]

If you live in England, what is the alternative? Labour, with no discernible policies, no sign of dealing with 10 year old issues, no opposition to HM Government, no leadership and drifting from one stumble to another? Libdem, who constantly seem to be vacillating between wanting to be in Europe and the reality of Brexit? Greens - hoping Greta Thunberg to settle in the UK and become party leader?

Right now there's no alternative to the Tories in England. In Scotland I can vote SNP, who are seen to be less incompetent than Tories and Labour.

Politics is at a low ebb.

Still, no excuse to vote for them.

 

[Billyzin]

This 'can we afford to' argument is a bit of a red herring. We are borrowing billions when it is extremely cheap to do so and do need to worry about paying it back any time soon. We can afford to borrow even more if we need, even over the fabled 100% of GDP. The US are at 107% and we are only at 84%. Economists don't know the figure at which borrowing begins to slow the economy down. The US shows that you can borrow over 100% without the economy going into meltdown.

We will be paying farmers lots of sudsidies going forward - as demand for meat drops, especially due to the reductions in exports thanks to Brexit the Gov are already planning to pay farmers to turn their lands into woods or just let it grow wild. It will help the Gov meet climate change targets.

Imagine that - getting free money off the Government to do nothing with your land other than let it go wild. No wonder the farmers all voted Brexit. They will just be landowners now all living off Government benefits. How the other half live .

IF we aren't exporting and there is a glut of product in the UK why aren't prices coming down? Is it really worth buying British? Expensive stuff and we don't even need to buy it to support the farmers - our tax money does that?

Nail on head.

 

[SmallTown]

Did you vote Tory at the last election? Yes or no?

A vote for the conservatives was a vote for brexit, for more cuts to vital community services, for more dodgy deals, for more punishment of the poor and disabled, for more people relying on state handouts and food banks, for more destruction of the NHS, for more cuts to police, fire fighting and paramedic services, for more of our money given to donors in a brown envelope under the table of a wine bar, for less affordable housing causing generations rely on costly rented properties for a roof over their heads, for not dealing with the drugs epidemic in this country, for letting food safety standards potentially fall, for punishing farmers who work 18 hour days 365 days of the year just to have their hard work thrown in their faces.

Give me ONE good reason why anybody would ever vote for a party that doesn't give a **** about the public it's supposed to serve.

You've now massively distracted from brexit.
Well done. Mission achieved. I honestly don't know what kind of mental blip people have to want to deflect from brexit so much but well done you've achieved your goal. Insane though it may appear.

You complain about a weakened country yet defend one of the events that's weakened it. That's shameful.

 

[Randy]

You've now massively distracted from brexit.
Well done. Mission achieved. I honestly don't know what kind of mental blip people have to want to deflect from brexit so much but well done you've achieved your goal. Insane though it may appear.

You complain about a weakened country yet defend one of the events that's weakened it. That's shameful.

I'll take that as a yes then. I've also never defended brexit, try again hombre.

Like. A. Book.

 

[the_holgate_roof]

Are the export of sprouts down too?

How about broccoli too, I know that has been a bit sparse recently?

 

[SmallTown]

I'll take that as a yes then. I've also never defended brexit, try again hombre.

Like. A. Book.

You are deflecting from it on this very thread. Why are you being intentionally stupid here? You must just be looking for an argument.

 

[Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves]

Still, no excuse to vote for them.

Any one but the Tories for me I simply do not share their values

 

[Andy_W]

The government brought in the job retention scheme to stop riots and an influx of hundreds of thousands if not millions when you include the supply chain.claiming universal credit.

What about the families affected by covid? Yes, a **** time for everybody involved no disputing that. What about the 4.7 million people on NHS waiting lists, will that be blamed on brexit?

I'm well aware why JRS was brought in, and the government were 100% right to do it, of course they were, I'm not saying they weren't, never have.

The point is you're claiming an industry "will be fine", when it's not fine now (it's relied on JRS and other stimuli), it's been on life support from the taxpayer (likely without pay rises) for a year. As for the future, do you not realise you work in an industry that is largely deemed "not essential"? Also, the industry is heavily reliant on disposable income, people pay their rent and bills before they think about restaurants/ pubs etc, or at least most do! A lot more people are/ will be working from home, this is going to hit hotels later etc. Hospitality pretty much takes a kicking when anything else does, and it will be one of the hardest-hit sectors if(when) brexit ends up a mess, or when the mess is more visible once the pandemic clears

The 4.7 million on waiting lists is largely a result of the pandemic, but don't think there wasn't a massive waiting list already, as there was. Brexit is a factor as well, as a load of nurses and doctors have gone/ going back to the EU, we've struggled to recruit for a long time and we'll likely get less from them in the future, we also can't seem to recruit enough from the UK, as we've been hammering them for decades.
But you seem unhappy with the 4.7m, which is fine, you should be, I am too, but the thing is you've complained about lockdowns, yet if you take lockdown away, this increases pressure on the NHS, which takes resources from routing operations, as nurses can't be in two places at once you see.

So, brexit is taking away nurses and doctors, and no lockdown would increase that 4.7m figure drastically, do you not see why what you want/ are defending for has contributed to making that 4.7m, and your anti-lock-down stance would have made it even higher.

 

[Nobby_Barnes]

You are deflecting from it on this very thread. Why are you being intentionally stupid here? You must just be looking for an argument.

Says the most obnoxious poster on this board by a country mile

 

[SmallTown]

Says the most obnoxious poster on this board by a country mile

What has that get to do with exports to the EU? Oh that's right, you're just here to argue and insult. Be better

 

[Randy]

I'm well aware why JRS was brought in, and the government were 100% right to do it, of course they were, I'm not saying they weren't, never have.

The point is you're claiming an industry "will be fine", when it's not fine now (it's relied on JRS and other stimuli), it's been on life support from the taxpayer (likely without pay rises) for a year. As for the future, do you not realise you work in an industry that is largely deemed "not essential"? Also, the industry is heavily reliant on disposable income, people pay their rent and bills before they think about restaurants/ pubs etc, or at least most do! A lot more people are/ will be working from home, this is going to hit hotels later etc. Hospitality pretty much takes a kicking when anything else does, and it will be one of the hardest-hit sectors if(when) brexit ends up a mess, or when the mess is more visible once the pandemic clears

The 4.7 million on waiting lists is largely a result of the pandemic, but don't think there wasn't a massive waiting list already, as there was. Brexit is a factor as well, as a load of nurses and doctors have gone/ going back to the EU, we've struggled to recruit for a long time and we'll likely get less from them in the future, we also can't seem to recruit enough from the UK, as we've been hammering them for decades.
But you seem unhappy with the 4.7m, which is fine, you should be, I am too, but the thing is you've complained about lockdowns, yet if you take lockdown away, this increases pressure on the NHS, which takes resources from routing operations, as nurses can't be in two places at once you see.

So, brexit is taking away nurses and doctors, and no lockdown would increase that 4.7m figure drastically, do you not see why what you want/ are defending for has contributed to making that 4.7m, and your anti-lock-down stance would have made it even higher.

Again not defending brexit. I'm still awaiting a quotation where I did. Circles.

I work in the industry, I'm in constant contact with my employers and others around the country and Europe in the industry who I've worked with, for and trained with. The plans are there and they will succeed. Some businesses will fall along the way, that's happened before brexit has had an impact and it'll continue after brexit till the end of time. Businesses thrive or fail every week.
Brexit might be ****, it might be good, nobody can know for absolute certain after 4 months.
People will be itching to get out and about after this pandemic is over. It's then up to hospitality businesses around the country to work hard to keep them coming back.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

Again not defending brexit. I'm still awaiting a quotation where I did. Circles.

I work in the industry, I'm in constant contact with my employers and others around the country and Europe in the industry who I've worked with, for and trained with. The plans are there and they will succeed. Some businesses will fall along the way, that's happened before brexit has had an impact and it'll continue after brexit till the end of time. Businesses thrive or fail every week.
Brexit might be ****, it might be good, nobody can know for absolute certain after 4 months.
People will be itching to get out and about after this pandemic is over. It's then up to hospitality businesses around the country to work hard to keep them coming back.

Quite right you haven’t defended Brexit but you have made a fine job of playing down the impact of losing our closest trading partner is having on the economy right now. I fully understand your optimism and I really hope you are right.

 

[Andy_W]

Says the most obnoxious poster on this board by a country mile

He's not really, obnoxious would be objectionable, but he's not objecting to fact or what is likely to become fact, he's just objecting to ignorance.

He does have strong views on a couple of things that he cares about, which is fine, that's what a forum is for, and he should care as they're massively important to our future. Those that whine about him seem to generally have an opposing viewpoint to what he says, which is also fine.

The thing is ST is also very likely correct in what he says, or the predictions he mentions have a higher probability than the opinions of those going against him, if general consensus, experts and statistics are to believed, which they should be.

Instead of arguing against ST, argue against what he posts, and you might be able to get him to be quiet? Most won't do that though, as it's easier to target the poster, rather than the post, when the post is either true, or likely to become true.