Dairy and meat exports down 96% due to Brexit

Andy_W said:
Some may be partial teething problems, but the cost isn’t, that’s here to stay. Once these EU companies switch suppliers, it will be twice as hard to get them back.
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Absolutely right but it gets worse as well. We currently enjoy and are in the middle of several grace periods that run through the trade agreement. They come to an end this summer. It will get a lot, lot worse when they do end.

Andy_W said:
I would expect the ‘brexiteers” to be saying, they need to “get over it”, and sell more to the rest of the world. Not sure how they’re meant to do that cheaply and quickly, and sell to nations which can already buy cheaper/ quicker locally, and also fresher.
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The link between geography and trade has long since been established. We cannot replace the trade we did freely with the EU with any amount of trade agreements with the rest of the world. This is especially and acutely true in relation to perishable goods. The cost of transporting such goods alone prices us out of those markets.

COVID has nothing to do with this. If it did you would expect to see it mirrored across the world but it isn't.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Absolutely right but it gets worse as well. We currently enjoy and are in the middle of several grace periods that run through the trade agreement. They come to an end this summer. It will get a lot, lot worse when they do end.



The link between geography and trade has long since been established. We cannot replace the trade we did freely with the EU with any amount of trade agreements with the rest of the world. This is especially and acutely true in relation to perishable goods. The cost of transporting such goods alone prices us out of those markets.

COVID has nothing to do with this. If it did you would expect to see it mirrored across the world but it isn't.
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We're all doomed then?

Do I need to pack a bug out kit for me and my family?
 
Adi_Dem said:
Absolutely right but it gets worse as well. We currently enjoy and are in the middle of several grace periods that run through the trade agreement. They come to an end this summer. It will get a lot, lot worse when they do end.



The link between geography and trade has long since been established. We cannot replace the trade we did freely with the EU with any amount of trade agreements with the rest of the world. This is especially and acutely true in relation to perishable goods. The cost of transporting such goods alone prices us out of those markets.

COVID has nothing to do with this. If it did you would expect to see it mirrored across the world but it isn't.
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Well Adi except Eu production of bovine meats is down across the last year by 15-20%. You would assume that trade and consumption is also down, as you would expect in a pandemic. It's not 96% but the pandemic has hit consumer goods across the board with people on furlough or out of work entirely.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's the big one. We've spent big on Covid, can we afford to give out EU size subsidies to the farmers, or allow prices to rise, which due to the state of the economy will cause unrest.
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This 'can we afford to' argument is a bit of a red herring. We are borrowing billions when it is extremely cheap to do so and do need to worry about paying it back any time soon. We can afford to borrow even more if we need, even over the fabled 100% of GDP. The US are at 107% and we are only at 84%. Economists don't know the figure at which borrowing begins to slow the economy down. The US shows that you can borrow over 100% without the economy going into meltdown.

We will be paying farmers lots of sudsidies going forward - as demand for meat drops, especially due to the reductions in exports thanks to Brexit the Gov are already planning to pay farmers to turn their lands into woods or just let it grow wild. It will help the Gov meet climate change targets.

Imagine that - getting free money off the Government to do nothing with your land other than let it go wild. No wonder the farmers all voted Brexit. They will just be landowners now all living off Government benefits. How the other half live :ROFLMAO: .

IF we aren't exporting and there is a glut of product in the UK why aren't prices coming down? Is it really worth buying British? Expensive stuff and we don't even need to buy it to support the farmers - our tax money does that?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
That is a typical answer from you on a thread like this. Why wouldn't you want to contemplate the impact Covids had on exports, it certainly impacted on the sales in this country.
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Wasn't it said earlier up the thread that the 96% figure was from a report that looked purely at the impacts of Brexit, not Covid? That is may be why.

But either way it is massively obvious that Brexit plays a massive part in the reduction of exports to the EU. To argue otherwise is madness. Consumption has not dropped 96% due to the pandemic.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Absolutely right but it gets worse as well. We currently enjoy and are in the middle of several grace periods that run through the trade agreement. They come to an end this summer. It will get a lot, lot worse when they do end.

The link between geography and trade has long since been established. We cannot replace the trade we did freely with the EU with any amount of trade agreements with the rest of the world. This is especially and acutely true in relation to perishable goods. The cost of transporting such goods alone prices us out of those markets.

COVID has nothing to do with this. If it did you would expect to see it mirrored across the world but it isn't.
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Exactly, we're at the very tip of the iceberg and some of the main issues are probably being masked by the pandemic. In some respects, the pandemic has diverted attention and pressure from brexit. It has possibly helped prevent strain on the port/ crossings with less travel, people expect delays and demand is probably lower, also the pandemic has been the no1 in the news.

I know exactly what will happen though, the "brexiteers"/ tories, will just blame all failures on the pandemic, and any benefits on brexit, as they love to cherry pick, and ignore the bigger picture. It's happening already, pinning the vaccine success on brexit, yet the vaccine was made simpler by decades of UK-EU co-operation, deals were signed when we were in the EU, AZ is a part EU company, Pfizer is made in the EU (about 10 miles from Brussels, funnily enough) and we could have done our own deals within the EU anyway. I'm not saying our vaccine advantage is because we were in the EU though, but it's certainly not because we're out of the EU either.

Yeah, geography is massively important. The world is becoming more and more integrated each year, and trades relatively local, for mutual prosperity, and has always been this way. "Brexiteers" seem to prefer disintegration and think it will be more beneficial to trade with the other side of the world, than on their doorstep, and they assume those on the other side would have the same interest (they don't). The only way we will get additional trade from the ROW is from trade agreements stacked against us, or with major deficits.

By the end of summer the UK and EU will be on a relatively even keel with vaccines, and cases throughout should hopefully be much lower, so as the months go on things should become clearer and clearer, and there will be less excuses and places to hide. I'm sure brexiteers will find something else to blame then though, or something else to ignore.

Be interesting to see how vocal the "brexiteers", covid deniers and anti-vaxxers are, when we're all back out in the open.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Wasn't it said earlier up the thread that the 96% figure was from a report that looked purely at the impacts of Brexit, not Covid? That is may be why.

But either way it is massively obvious that Brexit plays a massive part in the reduction of exports to the EU. To argue otherwise is madness. Consumption has not dropped 96% due to the pandemic.
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I am not arguing that Brexit isn't the major driving force behind this and anyone with a grain of sense can see it is obviously is, I am just saying that we also need to look at the bigger picture and other contributing factors. How are they able to distinguish between the impacts of Brexit and Covid.

I also mentioned above that I was unable to read the article on the Independent website.
 
Andy_W said:
Exactly, we're at the very tip of the iceberg and some of the main issues are probably being masked by the pandemic. In some respects, the pandemic has diverted attention and pressure from brexit. It has possibly helped prevent strain on the port/ crossings with less travel, people expect delays and demand is probably lower, also the pandemic has been the no1 in the news.

I know exactly what will happen though, the "brexiteers"/ tories, will just blame all failures on the pandemic, and any benefits on brexit, as they love to cherry pick, and ignore the bigger picture. It's happening already, pinning the vaccine success on brexit, yet the vaccine was made simpler by decades of UK-EU co-operation, deals were signed when we were in the EU, AZ is a part EU company, Pfizer is made in the EU (about 10 miles from Brussels, funnily enough) and we could have done our own deals within the EU anyway.

Yeah, geography is massively important. The world is becoming more and more integrated each year, and trades relatively local, for mutual prosperity, and has always been this way. "Brexiteers" seem to prefer disintegration and think it will be more beneficial to trade with the other side of the world, than on their doorstep, and they assume those on the other side would have the same interest (they don't). The only way we will get additional trade from the ROW is from trade agreements stacked against us, or with major deficits.

By the end of summer the UK and EU will be on a relatively even keel with vaccines, and cases throughout should hopefully be much lower, so as the months go on things should become clearer and clearer, and there will be less excuses and places to hide. I'm sure brexiteers will find something else to blame then though, or something else to ignore.

Be interesting to see how vocal the "brexiteers", covid deniers and anti-vaxxers are, when we're all back out in the open.
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Andy - This is exactly what I was trying to say.
 
Laughing said:
Well Adi except Eu production of bovine meats is down across the last year by 15-20%. You would assume that trade and consumption is also down, as you would expect in a pandemic. It's not 96% but the pandemic has hit consumer goods across the board with people on furlough or out of work entirely.
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Makes sense. EU Bovine production down because of lower consuption, so import no UK beef as their beef is off to the rest of the world (not).
 
Norman_Conquest said:
That is a typical answer from you on a thread like this. Why wouldn't you want to contemplate the impact Covids had on exports, it certainly impacted on the sales in this country.
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I would happily. But if you think it's responsible for a 96% drop in sales then you're wildly off track. During the pandemic, people are still eating you know? But post brexit the EU is NOT buying out produce. It's clearly an issue with Brexit. Covid has exaccarbated these problems but bresit is the cause
 
SmallTown said:
I would happily. But if you think it's responsible for a 96% drop in sales then you're wildly off track. During the pandemic, people are still eating you know? But post brexit the EU is NOT buying out produce. It's clearly an issue with Brexit. Covid has exaccarbated these problems but bresit is the cause
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Anyone remember the 97% drop in salmon exports in January?

The head of the largest salmon smokers in the UK said the figures were wrong but one FMTM expert said he was "Regularly caught out not knowing what he was talking about or peddling lies" & another said he was "thick as mince".

Turns out the 80 tonne of exports was actually 5000 tonnes
 
BoroBosco said:
Anyone remember the 97% drop in salmon exports in January?

The head of the largest salmon smokers in the UK said the figures were wrong but one FMTM expert said he was "Regularly caught out not knowing what he was talking about or peddling lies" & another said he was "thick as mince".

Turns out the 80 tonne of exports was actually 5000 tonnes
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Ah that sounds like one of the brexit tactics. Scream fake news!

What's your source? Be interesting to know why you think your figures are more correct than the official figures.
 
Randy said:
Still early days, bound to be issues to begin with. Pandemic hasn't helped either.
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Randy, did you even read the article? It makes it clear that these are not just teething troubles and also states that this is not to do with the pandemic, as follows.

The statistics lay bare how withdrawal from the EU – rather than the impact of Covid-19 – lies behind the collapse in exports, since the transition period ended on 31 December.
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SmallTown said:
So, you DON'T think there is a problem with exports thanks to Brexit?
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No he's saying the numbers of 97% with regards to salmon exports are wrong. It's all there in the link.
Nobody is denying there are currently problems with the brexit transition, but some of you are going in like it's permanent and the it's the end times.
 
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