Michael Scarn
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Mmm Mercedes tears are delicious.
Costcappen
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BoroFur
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I see entitled Verstappen is refusing to give interviews to Sky, Sky Germany and Sky Italy this weekend because he's upset with what Ted Kravitz said at COTA last week.
Has anyone ever heard of Hamilton refusing to give interviews to Dutch tv?
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Has anyone ever heard of Hamilton refusing to give interviews to Dutch tv?
Verstappen boycotting Sky Sports in Mexico
After Sky Sports reporter Ted Kravitz made reference to Lewis Hamilton being robbed of the 2021 World Championship, Max Verstappen is allegedly refusing to appear on the network during the Mexico City Grand Prix weekend.
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JM14
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The entire team apparently now refusing, not happy with the coverage of the cost capI see entitled Verstappen is refusing to give interviews to Sky, Sky Germany and Sky Italy this weekend because he's upset with what Ted Kravitz said at COTA last week.
Has anyone ever heard of Hamilton refusing to give interviews to Dutch tv?
Verstappen boycotting Sky Sports in Mexico
After Sky Sports reporter Ted Kravitz made reference to Lewis Hamilton being robbed of the 2021 World Championship, Max Verstappen is allegedly refusing to appear on the network during the Mexico City Grand Prix weekend.
Basically they didn’t like other teams calling out their blatant cheating and threatened legal action against anyone questioning it because they had done nothing wrong
Then admitted to breaking the cost cap, not because they believe they did but for the benefit of other teams
And now refuse to speak to sky because of their coverage of the cost cap which they actually themselves admitted to breaking
Along with DTS they are the worst thing to happen to the sport
Toys well and truly out of the pram, imagine their reaction to all of this if they didn’t have the significantly better car than anyone else
MolteniArcore
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Without Red Bull it would still just be a Mercedes procession. A little blip for them this season (even though they are in with a shout of finishing above Ferrari in the Constructors Champs) but they are still up there.
Red Bull give the haters something to moan / chat about anyway. There would be hardly anything to discuss regarding Mexico if it wasn't for this new saga, as the other thread shown. 7 posts?
Red Bull give the haters something to moan / chat about anyway. There would be hardly anything to discuss regarding Mexico if it wasn't for this new saga, as the other thread shown. 7 posts?
SmallTown
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Yeah I think the reaction is the key here isn't it? They cheated, they know they cheated, the admitted to it, but they are still threatening to sue people for pointing it out and the strop with Sky Sports is ridiculous. I wonder what Oracle and the rest if the sponsors think: So we are paying you millions of pounds to advertise our product, and you're refusing to talk to the media? Hmmm
It is a really grubby situation. I know they can't be totally to blame but they are definitely one of the drivers for the new breed of toxic "fan" who has to support a driver regardless of what they do and has to have an enemy team. Have you seen the abuse Ted Kravitz is getting on social media? Utterly disgusting
MolteniArcore
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That's an interesting point and I agree with you that Red Bull do seem to breed toxic fans. What is interesting though is the toxicity is on both sides - the anti-Red Bull F1 fans are just as guilty.
One one had you have Red Bull fans giving it to Kravitz but if this board is anything to go by the toxic nature is one against Red Bull, mainly driven by Hamilton fans. This has been very noticeable since Hamilton started losing and Verstappen started winning. Sadly I can't see this going away anytime soon - both 'sides' are as bad as each other.
SmallTown
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I think you're totally wrong. This is my point; I'm not against red bull I'm just against their toxic behaviour. Even you have fallen for it: thinking it's "Hamilton fans" v Red bulls fans. It really isn't that's part of the toxic culture F1 has created lately. It's people who care about the integrity of the sport v people who don't it's that simple. If it was Ferrari cheating and getting away with it I'd be as upset. Given that historically this has happened a lot I have often got upset about that too. I know you're on a part wind up here but you're reflecting the very behaviours that have no place in this sport. I have no interest in Max v Lewis, Toto v Horner. I want to watch decent racing, not a glorified soap opera with groups of people burning merchandise and sending death threats on twitter
Spraggons Den
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As a life long Williams fan I have to agree with this. The Vilification of Red Bull and Max Verstappen from the Hamilton fans is very noticeable on here all you have to do is look at this thread title which is implying Max (even though he has nothing to do with the organisation of the teams finances). Along with the ones from last year like Crashtappen (or something like that) Similarly after the long run of Mercedes wins the Red Bull fans are now managing to get their own back as it were. We at Williams will just continue to run at the back and slowly get better (I hope).
MolteniArcore
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Na, not on the wind up at all. For example, when I started posting about F1 I got called all sorts - that is toxic. I was personally insulted and my intelligence questioned because I quite liked Verstappen and Red Bull. Funnily enough this came from people who did not like Red Bull following on from the title deciding race last season. I have since then posted the odd (maybe more than odd) wind up Red Bull fan boy comment but I certainly am not that - I can see both sides.
Just for the benefit of the doubt I like Red Bull as they support and sponsor some of my favourite cyclists - anyone that puts money into that sport has a soft spot in my heart as the pulling of one minor sponsor can see a team collapse.
"I want to watch decent racing, not a glorified soap opera with groups of people burning merchandise and sending death threats on twitter" - I totally agree with this.
I enjoy watching the races. I try not to get into the 'integrity of the sport' arguments as I am not that knowledgeable of the recent seasons events despite being a big fan from childhood until the recent Mercedes dominance, but I have covered that before. But one thing is for sure - I was subjected to toxicity when contributing to F1 threads so have first hand experience that it exists, from Hamilton fans to people who care about integrity of the sport.
I think the integrity issue has seeped into most elite sports nowadays. Boxing very recently, cycling obviously, football it's highlighted ever week with dodgy ref decisions / Saudi money etc, rugby and doping, the list goes on. I have tried to just take a step back and enjoy the spectacle - following cycling for years taught me this. Not saying that there is anything wrong with being angry though, it's your sport, you care passionately, and you are right to be angry.
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SmallTown
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You're totally wrong. That's the behaviour I'm trying to rally against. You've made the DTS mistake of thinking the sport has to have these toxic, embittered rivalries. They aren't "Hamilton fans" complaining about red bulls behaviour and their reaction to being found out cheating, they are race fans
MolteniArcore
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I get that, I really do. My issue is (in real life) that all the race fans that I know who are complaining about Red Bull are massive Hamilton fans as well. It's tricky to see which hat they have on when complaining. I know one BIG Alonso fan who is also an obsessive when it comes to F1 and he hasn't really moaned to me about race or sport integrity. I'd say he's a race fan too.
Anyway, Red Bull's punishment was a weak but they were never going to take Max's title from him. Not sure what the FIA could really have done - punish a team to harshly and they end up in the courts. You see it with British athletes and UKAD - the governing bodies are tied because teams have more funds than them. Hence why Premier League teams get away with all sorts.
SmallTown
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Of course they could have taken Maxs title away from him, so many sports strip people of titles when found to be cheating. They just chose not to.
And I was an Alonso fan we before I was a Hamilton fan: in fact there are very few drivers in on the grid I don’t like
Spraggons Den
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No they couldn't take his title away from him as its currently written into the rules that as long as the team agreed to the decision of the FIA over the cost cap minor breach then the punishment couldn't be a points deduction so the title stands. (Thats probably why Red Bull agreed to the FIA's decision).
Pak_Doo_Ik
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Red Bull refusing to talk to Sky is like Tory MPs refusing to go on QT whilst Fiona Bruce is the presenter
Muttley
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Well that isn't true for many I know. The farce at the end of last season has largely killed my enthusiasm for the sport. I don't think I've watched a single GP this year. I admire Hamilton but I wouldn't class myself as a "fan", I find it hard to like Max and the Red Bull thing is more a dislike of the way the brand conducts itself across all the sports it enters and then tries to dominate/distort. Similarly, I dislike Whinger Spice intensely, he's smarmy, sulky and disingenuous often within the same interview. Is Toto Wolf a model? No, he is competitive but comes across better perhaps he's a complete arrs but better in front of the camera, but the evidence doesn't support this.
The FIA were never going to take away the titles. We won't know if the punishment is appropriate until we see how next season's car shapes up.
BoroFur
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Mercedes sell motor cars.
Red Bull sell an energy drink.
Mercedes brand is more at risk of reputational damage were they to cheat or act in an unbecoming way.
Hence Mercedes not taking legal action against the FIA over AD21. And neither would they consider knowingly exceeding the cost cap.
In terms of integrity there's a world of difference between Mercedes and Red Bull & Wolff and Horner.
Red Bull sell an energy drink.
Mercedes brand is more at risk of reputational damage were they to cheat or act in an unbecoming way.
Hence Mercedes not taking legal action against the FIA over AD21. And neither would they consider knowingly exceeding the cost cap.
In terms of integrity there's a world of difference between Mercedes and Red Bull & Wolff and Horner.
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WilliamMunny
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I'm a "fan" of Hamilton, but I also admire Max for his undoubted talent. Going into Abu Dhabi last year, I didn't really mind who won the Championship as the season had delivered some epic battles on the track and both drivers would have earned it in the end. Or so I thought, yet somehow the Race Director managed to play hard and fast with the rules and hand the title to Max on a plate.
Max this year has really shown his class on the race track. Yes he's got a superior car, but he's dominated in a way only the very best can. It is a shame that the changes to the technical regulations have made it such a one sided Championship, particularly as Red Bull had caught up to Merc last year. If things had been left alone I wonder if we would have had a rivalry for the ages between Hamilton and Verstappen over several seasons. One can only hope that Merc's improvement continues into next year and we can have two equally matched teams fighting it out at the front - or preferably more than two!
Despite acknowledging Max's brilliance, I simply cannot abide Christian Horner - the Donald Trump of F1. I could type out a long list of contemptible behaviours, but I don't need to. I'll just mention the past few days, where this odious individual has had the temerity to admit to breaching the rules, before demanding apologies from the other 9 teams who didn't breach the rules. That right there is why so many F1 fans dislike Red Bull and by association, struggle to warm to Max Verstappen.
Max this year has really shown his class on the race track. Yes he's got a superior car, but he's dominated in a way only the very best can. It is a shame that the changes to the technical regulations have made it such a one sided Championship, particularly as Red Bull had caught up to Merc last year. If things had been left alone I wonder if we would have had a rivalry for the ages between Hamilton and Verstappen over several seasons. One can only hope that Merc's improvement continues into next year and we can have two equally matched teams fighting it out at the front - or preferably more than two!
Despite acknowledging Max's brilliance, I simply cannot abide Christian Horner - the Donald Trump of F1. I could type out a long list of contemptible behaviours, but I don't need to. I'll just mention the past few days, where this odious individual has had the temerity to admit to breaching the rules, before demanding apologies from the other 9 teams who didn't breach the rules. That right there is why so many F1 fans dislike Red Bull and by association, struggle to warm to Max Verstappen.
SmallTown
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false:
For a minor breach, which is less than 5% overspend, penalties can include a public reprimand, a deduction of constructors' or drivers' championship points, exclusion from events, limitations on aero testing or a fine.
SmallTown
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I never thought of it that way before. Good points
Spraggons Den
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Correct but if the team agree to the punishment put forward by the FIA then the points cannot be docked so Red Bull Agreed and so Max remains champion. If the FIA had docked the points then Red Bull would have taken the whole thing to arbitration.