Cost to buy Giles, Archer and Ramsay?

changingman said:
If aGiles 10-12
Ramsey 25+
Archer 30-35

At a guess.
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If archer is 30m then we should be out he's relatively untested in at the highest level and despite playing well for us still struggles to find goals at times. In my mind archer is good young player like Morgan gibbs-White probably not quite the level mgw was in the championship so I think 30m is a ridiculous price
 
White was £25m + £17m in potential add ons?

I agree he's probably not at MGW level (yet) but he's also three years younger and it's not unrealistic to think he'll make that level comfortably.
 
I would be surprised if the asking price for the 3 is 20 million, I would also be surprised if the price goes north of 35 million. So, 27.5 million, is my scientific guess!
 
I think there's zero chance of signing Archer and Ramsey tbh. Suspect Giles will have a crazy price tag too.
 
Giles somewhere around 7 with another 5 in add-ons. There won't be any prem league interest due to his perceived defensive flaws

Villa rate both their lads fairly highly but probably need the cash injection to get out of the slow drift downwards. Archer has been around the first team squad but not looked like breaking in for sometime, he's done nothing for Villa when he has played. I think they'd accept 8 + 5 in add-ons.

Ramsey, think they'd take a similar kind of fee, probably cost about 8 with some add ons. Selling 2 kids for 16mill+ would be a big cash investment for a Villa that needs a squad overhaul to get away from the persistent struggle at the bottom end. IT's been 13 years since they had a top half prem finish, they need investment.
 
BoroMart said:
Giles somewhere around 7 with another 5 in add-ons. There won't be any prem league interest due to his perceived defensive flaws

Villa rate both their lads fairly highly but probably need the cash injection to get out of the slow drift downwards. Archer has been around the first team squad but not looked like breaking in for sometime, he's done nothing for Villa when he has played. I think they'd accept 8 + 5 in add-ons.

Ramsey, think they'd take a similar kind of fee, probably cost about 8 with some add ons. Selling 2 kids for 16mill+ would be a big cash investment for a Villa that needs a squad overhaul to get away from the persistent struggle at the bottom end. IT's been 13 years since they had a top half prem finish, they need investment.
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Patrick Bamford came to us from Chelsea for £5.5m and it was only recently that they were talking of shipping out Archer on a permanent deal. Ramsey has potential but his no where near the Villa first team and he's recently had knee surgery. £16m for the pair would be very good business from Aston Villa looking at £9m+ for Archer and £7m for Ramsey.

I don't think GIles will be as much as either of those two.. £3.5m would be my guess.. no prem experience, no big whoop from Rotherham, Cardiff or even Blackburn

around £20m for the three I would say is good business around
 
I think a big part of the financial equation is their salaries and none will be on really big PL money, given they're all young players, so that part of any deal will be doable.
 
I'm sure they will all still want to play for Wolves and Villa respectively. Giles may think he has less of a chance of that happening but may also apply to a lesser extent with Archer and Ramsey. I'm sure Villa will probably happily loan them out for another season, telling them they will get a chance if they prove themselves in the prem, say with us. Their value is unlikely to change too much, probably increase in fact. However if we could try and entice them with better wages, maybe they will push for a move. Obviously, only really an issue if we go up.
 
Whilst Villa may be happy to do a deal on the relatively low end (personally I'd try to get as much for them as possible) the two key factors are a) their form between now and the end of the season and b) how many other suitors they have.

If Ramsey and Archer continue to improve as they have done there will be numerous EPL interested as well, almost all of them with deeper pockets than us.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think a big part of the financial equation is their salaries and none will be on really big PL money, given they're all young players, so that part of any deal will be doable.
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very true, they'll all be on their first pro contract deals, which for a prem player not at one of the big clubs tends to be less than a championship wage
 
I can semi-understand people banding around these crazy numbers if it were 3-5 years ago, but it's not.
Teams are pretty skint, and these types of players can only go to certain teams, the audience for them is small.

Breaking it down, for Giles (who I really rate):
- He's only going to get a game in England, not likely to go abroad
- He won't be interested in going to an average/ poor side, either top Champo or Prem
- He's not suited to a back four in a team which won't have the ball much (most new prem teams)
- Who else, in that limited choice of teams needs a left back, like us?
- Is Giles defensively good enough for OUR back 4, if we go up?
- Who else in the prem could, and would play him in a back 4, keep in mind he's not had a sniff at Wolves?
- What other options do all those teams have?
- Who could commit to the type of contract which would come with a £8m plus fee, ie maybe 4 years @ 40k (£8m contract)?
- We couldn't afford that, not for a left back, not when we would need to outlay for other areas
- He's not got the same hype as Spence, and we had Spurs pants down on that deal, and he's not had a look in
- No player should be thinking of moving to a side where they won't get a look in, but it's only really those clubs who can pay top whack.

Sure, he might be "worth" £8-10m, but "worth" is only dependent on those bidding, and what money they have, it's not so much a seller's market, there's more player power now, and most of the buying clubs are skint. The last thing any club wants to do is lose a player like Giles for nothing, so they would likely get forced into taking something more like £5m, maybe £8m if there were a few teams interested, but which other two teams have that money for a left back in the Champo, or could spend that and risk him in a back 4? Keep in mind he can always run his contract down on loans and then he goes where he wants, and they get zero.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think a big part of the financial equation is their salaries and none will be on really big PL money, given they're all young players, so that part of any deal will be doable.
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The salary is dependent on the transfer fee though, which is dependent on the number of clubs interested. Agents push for higher wages when there's higher fees, or when the players are out of contract.

If no one is interested, as a championship club, you might get someone like Giles for £5m and on 20k (about £10m total for the 4 year deal) a week, which we may be able to afford. But if there are a few interested, you might end up paying £10m and 40k a week. (about 20m total for the 4 year deal). We couldn't afford that, not for a left back, not with the risk of coming back down again.
 
newyddion said:
Patrick Bamford came to us from Chelsea for £5.5m and it was only recently that they were talking of shipping out Archer on a permanent deal. Ramsey has potential but his no where near the Villa first team and he's recently had knee surgery. £16m for the pair would be very good business from Aston Villa looking at £9m+ for Archer and £7m for Ramsey.

I don't think GIles will be as much as either of those two.. £3.5m would be my guess.. no prem experience, no big whoop from Rotherham, Cardiff or even Blackburn

around £20m for the three I would say is good business around
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"Aston Villa looking at £9m+ for Archer" - £10m feels right
"£7m for Ramsey" - £6m would be top whack
"£3.5m would be my guess" - a little on the cautious side.. probably after hearing £10m banded about

"around £20m for the three" - I'll stand by this £10m for Archer, £5m for Giles and then £4.5m to £6m for Archer depending on the current state of play.

"around £20m" comfortably within the range of £19.5m to £21m
 
Archer £20M inc add ons
Ramsey £10M inc add ons + sell on clause (I doubt they’d sell mind)
Giles £5M + poss add ons

Would be my guesstimate
 
Neither Archer or Ramsay can get a start for England under 21s - I would put them at the same fee as Spence and Tav - £22.5m plus add ons

Giles - posters are saying Wolves have agreed to sell @ £5m - hes a good Championship player but not Pmremier league yet for me

Total £27.5m plus some add ons

I think poster quoting £40 to £50m are on the wind up.
 
Redwurzel said:
Neither Archer or Ramsay can get a start for England under 21s - I would put them at the same fee as Spence and Tav - £22.5m plus add ons

Giles - posters are saying Wolves have agreed to sell @ £5m - hes a good Championship player but not Pmremier league yet for me

Total £27.5m plus some add ons

I think poster quoting £40 to £50m are on the wind up.
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Spence had three solid seasons in the Championship including a promotion and several top notch performances against premier league opposition. Tavernier with four solid Championship seasons consistently very good.

Archer and Ramsey are decent prospects but don’t come anywhere near I’m afraid.

Not to say that they couldn’t surpass those levels.. but they are no where near.

East to get caught up in the hype.. but they are no where near.

£16m for the pair is a very good return for Villa.. top end fees.
 
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