Coalmine gets the green light

JM14 said:
A country that claims to be a world leader in climate change opens a coal mine, for the tiny amount of jobs it creates, it’s catastrophic for the climate. Realistically how does the uk attempt to get developing countries to reduce their dependence on coal whilst doing this?
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The local people surrounding the mine won't be looking at things that way (or care) with the current state of people's finances in this country.

It interests me that the likes of Stop Oil, Thunberg and the like are always kicking off at the UK, America and most of mainland Europe but aren't doing a damn thing in places like China, India, the rich nations in the middle east. Why is that?
 
Randy said:
The local people surrounding the mine won't be looking at things that way (or care) with the current state of people's finances in this country.
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Quite right. It's a really deprived area as it is so they will cling on to any glimmer of hope that good jobs will be made in the area. In reality though they have been let down over the last 12 years (and longer) - there should be other jobs they can take and not rely on coal.

Randy said:
It interests me that the likes of Stop Oil, Thunberg and the like are always kicking off at the UK, America and most of mainland Europe but aren't doing a damn thing in places like China, India, the rich nations in the middle east. Why is that?
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Thunberg does go to the US, in fact she speaks all over the world. She travels by ship. Just Stop Oil are a UK based group so it would kind of be off message to fly over to China to protest.
 
Randy said:
The local people surrounding the mine won't be looking at things that way (or care) with the current state of people's finances in this country.

It interests me that the likes of Stop Oil, Thunberg and the like are always kicking off at the UK, America and most of mainland Europe but aren't doing a damn thing in places like China, India, the rich nations in the middle east. Why is that?
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The locals should probably be more concerned of the world or lack of one which will be left for their grandchildren than a small amount of short term jobs which will inevitably be gone in a few years anyway

The likes of Greta Thunberg have said plenty on China, it’s only those trying to discredit her that claim that she hasn’t.
But if you’re asking why they aren’t protesting in china, it’s likely because the country is almost inaccessible and a protest like that would have you locked up. But again you know that already and it’s a standard tactic to discredit them by those determined not to change their way of life

But back to my point, how do we stop the Chinese reliance on coal, whilst we open a new coal mine? This is only a year since the uk campaigned to consign coal to history it’s worth remembering
 
The biggest irony is that the Tories were responsible for shutting down our deep coal mining industry in the 1980’s, hundreds of thousands of jobs lost with nothing serious put in place to replace it in those areas most affected.

Forty years on they swim against the tide to buy a few votes in Cumbria.

Same old Conservative Party - always when it suits them.
 
we were using russian coal not to long back at wilton. quality was shocking. more like sludge. uk coal is top quality stuff. deffo a market for it. modified carbon capture coal plants across the uk again would solve the power market for us.
 
Randy said:
The local people surrounding the mine won't be looking at things that way (or care) with the current state of people's finances in this country.

It interests me that the likes of Stop Oil, Thunberg and the like are always kicking off at the UK, America and most of mainland Europe but aren't doing a damn thing in places like China, India, the rich nations in the middle east. Why is that?
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Typical response of the climate change deniers isn't it. "China aren't doing it so why should we" which is ridiculous on quite a few levels.

As others have said we can't we build a wind farm there?
 
Dynamo Kev said:
we were using russian coal not to long back at wilton. quality was shocking. more like sludge. uk coal is top quality stuff. deffo a market for it. modified carbon capture coal plants across the uk again would solve the power market for us.
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They really really wouldn't. Carbon capture has NEVER worked at scale.
 
Dynamo Kev said:
we were using russian coal not to long back at wilton. quality was shocking. more like sludge. uk coal is top quality stuff. deffo a market for it. modified carbon capture coal plants across the uk again would solve the power market for us.
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It would appear there is a market for it - sadly not in he UK or in Europe though which makes the whole thing pointless.
 
when they initially pitched this it was - reduce imports & use local coking coal for UK steel making - seemed to be a reasonable argument - however it's just: Money, jobs over environmental impact..
 
BobUpnDown said:
when they initially pitched this it was - reduce imports & use local coking coal for UK steel making - seemed to be a reasonable argument - however it's just: Money, jobs over environmental impact..
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The Tory on BBC QT last night was a bit stumped when presented with that same argument. If 100% of the coal was being used in the UK and it would reduce / end imports then there is an argument for it. Now it transpires that nearly all of it will be exported there is no argument for it.
 
MolteniArcore said:
The Tory on BBC QT last night was a bit stumped when presented with that same argument. If 100% of the coal was being used in the UK and it would reduce / end imports then there is an argument for it. Now it transpires that nearly all of it will be exported there is no argument for it.
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There is an argument for it - income and jobs.
There are many arguments against it too
good summary below



https://twitter.com/x/status/1600966183422873601
 
Muttley said:
Decent jobs?

My family from County Durham did everything they could to keep themselves out of the mines. Victorian values, jobs from Victorian times. I wouldn't send my worst enemy down a coalmine.
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Guy on the radio claims they’re jobs for the PlayStation generation…

I’m guessing it will mainly be automated and there won’t be a budgie in sight 🤷🏼‍♂️😏
 
SmallTown said:
Typical response of the climate change deniers isn't it. "China aren't doing it so why should we" which is ridiculous on quite a few levels.

As others have said we can't we build a wind farm there?
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What part of post denies climate change?

Notice there hasn't been an answer to the China problem for example. Hmmm. Why is that?
 
JM14 said:
The locals should probably be more concerned of the world or lack of one which will be left for their grandchildren than a small amount of short term jobs which will inevitably be gone in a few years anyway

The likes of Greta Thunberg have said plenty on China, it’s only those trying to discredit her that claim that she hasn’t.
But if you’re asking why they aren’t protesting in china, it’s likely because the country is almost inaccessible and a protest like that would have you locked up. But again you know that already and it’s a standard tactic to discredit them by those determined not to change their way of life

But back to my point, how do we stop the Chinese reliance on coal, whilst we open a new coal mine? This is only a year since the uk campaigned to consign coal to history it’s worth remembering
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Protestors have been locked up over here so what's the difference? Is it probably because China takes more of a hard-line approach against criminal activities?

Your point about people been determined not to change their lives is an interesting one.
The average cost of getting 12 solar panels fitted to your home is between £5000-£6000. Yes it will save on electricity costs but for quite a substantial outlay for the average home.
Air source heat pumps, £8000-£18,000. Ground source heat pumps, even more expensive £20,000-£35,000. Only reachable by a few.
What's the answer? Who knows. The government aren't going to fit solar panels and heat pumps to every property and business in the country.

I do remember watching this video about a solar farm in Africa. Seems an absolute no brainer of a solution to me.
 
Randy said:
The local people surrounding the mine won't be looking at things that way (or care) with the current state of people's finances in this country.

It interests me that the likes of Stop Oil, Thunberg and the like are always kicking off at the UK, America and most of mainland Europe but aren't doing a damn thing in places like China, India, the rich nations in the middle east. Why is that?
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Local people will have differing views on the mine; it's daft to generalise.

We know that there are local groups who are protesting.

As always it's been done in a half arsed fashion. Although they have got 'approval' they haven't actually got a licence (or applied for one) that will allow them to drill under the sea (which is where a lot of the coal is).
 
Randy said:
Protestors have been locked up over here so what's the difference? Is it probably because China takes more of a hard-line approach against criminal activities?

Your point about people been determined not to change their lives is an interesting one.
The average cost of getting 12 solar panels fitted to your home is between £5000-£6000. Yes it will save on electricity costs but for quite a substantial outlay for the average home.
Air source heat pumps, £8000-£18,000. Ground source heat pumps, even more expensive £20,000-£35,000. Only reachable by a few.
What's the answer? Who knows. The government aren't going to fit solar panels and heat pumps to every property and business in the country.

I do remember watching this video about a solar farm in Africa. Seems an absolute no brainer of a solution to me.
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Imagine a 6 week prison sentence in the uk is slightly different to years in a Chinese prison, but again why would they protest in China when they are British and the British government clearly aren’t taking the issue seriously?

Regardless though the British government made a commitment to stopping the use of coal and 12 months later have agreed to open a coal mine. Instead of these daft arguments just think of the world your children and grandchildren will inherit if we continue to use coal. It’s a huge step in the wrong direction
 
Randy said:
What part of post denies climate change?

Notice there hasn't been an answer to the China problem for example. Hmmm. Why is that?
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That's what climate change deniers alway say isn't it? Oh but China. The reason there is no answer is because there is no answer. Do you not think we should get our own house in order. Rather than use China as an excuse for our own terrible behaviour
 
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