Chuba Goal Reaction

Rofesleg said:
It was a very moving response from Chuba.
Though laughing at the groundstaff for being fat/bald is definitely wrong. It's OK to say he was able to take it as a joke but did the Boro fans know that beforehand? Or maybe he was actually distraught but didn't want to show it.

Oh, one more thing -
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This comparison was to illustrate just how much deeper one public name calling cuts when vested with hundreds of years of prejudice.
 
Chutney said:
Agreed. Whatever dirt you may be able to dredge up on individuals involved in BLM - and not for a second endorsing that the slurs are true/justified, I have no idea to be honest - the motivations of the vast majority supporting BLM are simply protesting racial injustice, not proposing a marxist coup.
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Well that's part of an honest conversation that need to be had and moreover part of educating fans. Part of that might be explaining what Marxism is and and why some of the things proposed are not Marxism.. and how those things benefit everyone not just BLM.. there is no us and and them when it comes to skin colour, there is no us and them when it comes to being on the dole vs a millionaire footballer. there is an us and them regarding a ruling class that damages us. damages our relationships with each other and can leave us homeless, jobless, cold, hungry, exposed or put at risk of drug abuse, crime etc..
 
newyddion said:
Yes I am aware. "It’s that exact thing. Taking the knee is political.. and BLM is ran by Ann Teefer"

I had hoped that 'Ann Teefer' would have made my point a bit clearer for those lacking..
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I get the pun, but it's as nonsensical as any other excuse from the racists. Antifa isn't an organisation it's just another label such as doogooder that is meant to undermine the idea of empathy.
 
newyddion said:
Part of that might be explaining what Marxism is and and why some of the things proposed are not Marxism..
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I've tried having sensible conversations with those that are ignorant of political ideology. They are almost always people on the right of the spectrum, almost all brexiteers, almost all low education level. In my experience it's a complete waste of time, because they don't want to be educated, they've drawn their lines, dug their trenches and they'll be damned if any leftie, woke anti-british person will explain to them why they are wrong.

Does that sound 'defeatist', maybe, I prefer to say that some souls are just too lost to recover.
 
newyddion said:
some people maybe.. but not all people.

there obviously is something to understand or we wouldn't have an issue. do you know what 'their' grievances are?
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Mostly a) They don't have the lives they believe they deserve and want to blame someone, and b) they are scared of change, largely because they don't want their crap lives to get worse in their eyes.
 
BoroMart said:
I've tried having sensible conversations with those that are ignorant of political ideology. They are almost always people on the right of the spectrum, almost all brexiteers, almost all low education level. In my experience it's a complete waste of time, because they don't want to be educated, they've drawn their lines, dug their trenches and they'll be damned if any leftie, woke anti-british person will explain to them why they are wrong.

Does that sound 'defeatist', maybe, I prefer to say that some souls are just too lost to recover.
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almost, almost, almost..

by not engaging allows these ideas to fester, what was the outcome you were looking for in these sensible conversations you were having?
 
newyddion said:
We have had Chris Wilder, Leo Percovich and Michael Carrick since then. To my mind only two clubs didn't participate. Boro and Millwall.. i'm happy to be told otherwise. For Britt Assombalonga to say he and his team were not going to participate in taking the knee is fair enough.. perhaps that instruction came from further up? Maybe he went to the club and said rather than us taking the knee I would like the club to actually do something directly to address racism in the game.. something that didn't involve the players being distracted or put under unnecessary scrutiny.

I don't feel as if the choice not to take the knee worked tbh.. us and milwall ffs. if anything, if think we need to up our game, more so than clubs that have participated in taking the knee. one poster suggesting it should have happened at blackpool.. which I think would have been the right thing to do, certainly after the disgusting tweet aimed at chuba.
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QPR stopped taking the knee before us. Les Ferdinand went on tv to explain as I recall. QPR are very much direct action v racism. The renaming of the stadium for 2 years was a very public manifestation of the importance they place on work in a neighbourhood with big issues of racism, poverty and knife crime etc.
Boro Fans Forum working with Boro and Middlesbrough Council are starting some initiatives with MFC Foundation this week in inner Middlesbrough and Teesside.
The #MyBoroMyShirt campaign is seeking to give a new identity to the face of Boro fans. Initially we want as many faces as possibly to join the gallery we then intend to use images of Boro fans in shirts for public art in Teesside and the Boro and an exhibition that will tour around. This exhibition and the public art is aimed at making everyone feel part of and proud of wearing the shirt wherever they are from, whatever age, background etc.
We need more selfies, we need more people getting in touch from all over the world.
Nexf year we will embark on some major displays of the faces of Boro.

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newyddion said:
almost, almost, almost..

by not engaging allows these ideas to fester, what was the outcome you were looking for in these sensible conversations you were having?
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to challenge why their views have or have not got validity.

These views will fester anyway in most people once they are entrenched. Some people simply need to blame swathes of society for their own failures and no amount of lecturing them will change that.
 
BoroMart said:
Mostly a) They don't have the lives they believe they deserve and want to blame someone, and b) they are scared of change, largely because they don't want their crap lives to get worse in their eyes.
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and that's why fans were booing taking the knee at Blackpool?

a) They don't have the lives they believe they deserve and want to blame someone.
that someone would be a black person then presumably.. a black player apposed to a white player.

b) they are scared of change, largely because they don't want their crap lives to get worse in their eyes.
the change being..
 
newyddion said:
and that's why fans were booing taking the knee at Blackpool?

a) They don't have the lives they believe they deserve and want to blame someone.
that someone would be a black person then presumably.. a black player apposed to a white player.

b) they are scared of change, largely because they don't want their crap lives to get worse in their eyes.
the change being..
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I can't answer for any of them with a sensible answer, because there are none. If you want to engage with those sorts, go for it, but I can guarantee there will be no intellectually sound responses and they will still boo the knee after.

Booing a black player is a message that the white majority won't accept equality, that white people should have better opportunity. It's ignorant, it's embarrassing but underlying it's a fear that their already crap lies will somehow become more crap by having more dark skinned faces around them. That's the rhetoric pushed by UKIP, some Tories, and all these NF splinter groups lead such as Football Lads Alliance and all these other right wing groups
 
fmttmadmin said:
QPR stopped taking the knee before us. Les Ferdinand went on tv to explain as I recall. QPR are very much direct action v racism. The renaming of the stadium for 2 years was a very public manifestation of the importance they place on work in a neighbourhood with big issues of racism, poverty and knife crime etc.
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they did that in place of direct action, fair enough. it didn't feel like that's what we did tho.
fmttmadmin said:
Boro Fans Forum working with Boro and Middlesbrough Council are starting some initiatives with MFC Foundation this week in inner Middlesbrough and Teesside.
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This week..
fmttmadmin said:
The #MyBoroMyShirt campaign is seeking to give a new identity to the face of Boro fans. Initially we want as many faces as possibly to join the gallery we then intend to use images of Boro fans in shirts for public art in Teesside and the Boro and an exhibition that will tour around. This exhibition and the public art is aimed at making everyone feel part of and proud of wearing the shirt wherever they are from, whatever age, background etc.
We need more selfies, we need more people getting in touch from all over the world.
Nexf year we will embark on some major displays of the faces of Boro.
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It seems like a fairly recent thing this, more about boro shirts and the boro shirt museum tbh

So.. Boro and Milwall then
 
BoroMart said:
I can't answer for any of them with a sensible answer, because there are none. If you want to engage with those sorts, go for it, but I can guarantee there will be no intellectually sound responses and they will still boo the knee after.
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'those sorts' - there was loads booing at blackpool.. way more than i've noticed before.
BoroMart said:
Booing a black player is a message that the white majority won't accept equality, that white people should have better opportunity. It's ignorant, it's embarrassing but underlying it's a fear that their already crap
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It was booing taking the knee..
BoroMart said:
lies will somehow become more crap by having more dark skinned faces around them. That's the rhetoric pushed by UKIP, some Tories, and all these NF splinter groups lead such as Football Lads Alliance and all these other right wing groups
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I mean.. this seems like part of it tbh.. part of that honest conversation I was talking about. taking accountability
'lives will somehow become more crap by having more dark skinned faces around them' - I mean... it's there, it's not straight forward in your face.. but it's there.
 
BoroMart said:
to challenge why their views have or have not got validity.

These views will fester anyway in most people once they are entrenched. Some people simply need to blame swathes of society for their own failures and no amount of lecturing them will change that.
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what are their views?
 
newyddion said:
'those sorts' - there was loads booing at blackpool.. way more than i've noticed before.

It was booing taking the knee..

I mean.. this seems like part of it tbh.. part of that honest conversation I was talking about. taking accountability
'lives will somehow become more crap by having more dark skinned faces around them' - I mean... it's there, it's not straight forward in your face.. but it's there.
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yeah, I mean tbooing taking the knee, but the victim of that is black people.

the conversation has been had I've not had any enlightenment from these discussions in 10+ years, just the same tired old ignorant nonsense.
 
BoroMart said:
yeah, I mean tbooing taking the knee, but the victim of that is black people.

the conversation has been had I've not had any enlightenment from these discussions in 10+ years, just the same tired old ignorant nonsense.
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taking the knee specifically has been the past two years. BLM is not just about black people *OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATION*
 
newyddion said:
they did that in place of direct action, fair enough. it didn't feel like that's what we did tho.

This week..

It seems like a fairly recent thing this, more about boro shirts and the boro shirt museum tbh

So.. Boro and Milwall
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Just about to start.
Boro also abandoned Taking the Knee for direct action. Over the last couple of years there have been a number of workshops and events and link ups between black players at the club and especially the academy and schools. Education is righly seen as very important in changing and challenging racism.
Now we are working as fans with the club, the council and guided by Kick It Out and FSA in #MyBoroMyShirt. It has been a long road to get it started. But we are finally up and running.
 
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