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Facts Roofie. Look at the list of the top 10 number of asylum seekers per capita. Spot a trend? I too llive in a middle class suburb and I am not affected by it in any way. Ask the locals that are what they think though. asylum seekers aren't here to work, they are here to escape persecution. They don't do much for lifting the economic output of an area.slums. asylum seekers aren't here to work, they are here to escape persecution. They don't do much for lifting the economic output of an area.

I am in no way saying that any of the people housed there are anything but nice people but asylum seekers aren't here to work, they are here to escape persecution. They don't do much for lifting the economic output of an area.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/middlesbrough-tops-league-number-asylum-10964217
Not fact at all.

"asylum seekers aren't here to work, they are here to escape persecution. They don't do much for lifting the economic output of an area"

Refugees seek sanctuary,not asylum seekers.

In Britain the law makes it crystal clear the definition of refugee and asylum status.

Asylum seekers arent classed as British Citizens and until they are accepted for citizenship - the Government wont allow them to work.

"Look at the list of the top 10 number of asylum seekers per capita. Spot a trend? "
Perhaps if any of us knew to what you are referring then we might be able to make an informed judgement.

I`ve got two people who live next to my slum in my working-class bubble who successfuly applied for citizenship - having fled Syria: one is a Medical Doctor and the other is a conducting Research in Neurology.

They`ve really brought the area down. Im hoping we turn my working class hovel into a slum street, swapping our Aston Martin Lagonda for a Jaguar MK6. I love how we swop stories about travelling the world and how they swam across the North Sea to get a mortgage, a job and sponge off the state.

I hope we get plenty more.

They pay more tax than me and they dont have children, but they dont mind paying towards other folk`s kids attending the school nearby or the Council subsidising transport for the elderly in the day centre nearby.

I must go, before the cost of my working class slum depreciates in value.
 
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Not fact at all.

"asylum seekers aren't here to work, they are here to escape persecution. They don't do much for lifting the economic output of an area"

Refugees seek sanctuary,not asylum seekers.

In Britain the law makes it crystal clear the definition of refugee and asylum status.

Asylum seekers arent classed as British Citizens and until they are accepted for citizenship - the Government wont allow them to work.

"Look at the list of the top 10 number of asylum seekers per capita. Spot a trend? "
Perhaps if any of us knew to what you are referring then we might be able to make an informed judgement.

I`ve got two people who live next to my slum in my working-class bubble who successfuly applied for citizenship - having fled Syria: one is a Medical Doctor and the other is a conducting Research in Neurology.

They`ve really brought the area down. Im hoping we turn my working class hovel into a slum street, swapping our Aston Martin Lagonda for a Jaguar MK6. I love how we swop stories about travelling the world and how they swam across the North Sea to get a mortgage, a job and sponge off the state.


I hope we get plenty more.

They pay more tax than me and they dont have children, but they dont mind paying towards other folk`s kids attending the school nearby or the Council subsidising transport for the elderly in the day centre nearby.

I must go, before the cost of my working class slum depreciates in value.

There is no real difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker other than one has been officially accepted.

I presume your neighbours came through the proper channels, rather than the Channel? Were they "housed" next to you by the authorities or did they get out early and brought their existing wealth with them? Or did they live in a poor area until they were allowed to work where they could then move out immediately to your nice area leaving the previous slum still a slum and offering it no economic benefit?

No need to play dumb either. Look at the top 10 on the link I posted and see how many places on there are near the top of the socioeconomic scale. None. They are mostly Leave voting towns as well which tells me that people that feel the effects aren't happy. Leaving the EU won't help them but that contributes to why they are anti-immigration.

Completely unrelated to your content but your jumping around with blocks of copy and pasted text, bold highlights and different sized fonts is annoying to read on a mobile. There is a quote function which makes it much easier.
 
My alarm goes off when I hear someone use the word "brigade".

If someone has got as far as trying to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world in a rubber dinghy, then they almost certainly have a story and it's most likely a grim one. I think that the least we can do is hear their story first before deciding that they should be sent back. Especially as we, as empire builders, became wealthy and powerful by wandering around the world into other people's territories, without invitation, often by force ... exploiting their resources and their people. I don't doubt that the French should be taking their share too, but the notion that you can stop these attempts by turning them back is idiotic. The criminals that exploit them don't give a ****. They've already been paid.
 
I don't think there are many people that are saying we shouldn't accept asylum seekers or refugees. The problem is people sailing here in dinghys from a safe country. It's dangerous and unnecessary because they are already in a safe country where they can seek asylum. Why would anyone defend this for any reason other than virtue signaling? I don't mean defend asylum seekers or how it enriches our culture, or it benefits us economically, I mean "Why is it acceptable that we have people fleeing a safe, civilised country to enter our country illegally?"

If they've already been denied by France then 100% we shouldn't be accepting them because France will have a similar criteria to us. Economic migrants shouldn't be treated as special cases just because they came by dinghy instead of plane. A dinghy from France and a dinghy from Syria are very different situations.

We used to be able to have sensible discussions about immigration. People right across the political spectrum had different views and it was fine. One of the most divisive things about brexit is that now anyone that thinks immigration should be controlled is suddenly labelled a racist and anyone that voted remain says we should open our borders to all 7bn people of the world even though they know that there has to be a limit somewhere. When it starts affecting them then I'm confident that their opinions will change.

I am certain that every one of the "let them all in brigade" would have a different opinion if all of the asylum seekers were housed in their street. When people moan about brexit voters being anti-immigration they don't get the fact that in their middle class suburban bubble they don't have to compete with asylum seekers for housing because they don't get housed in middle class suburbia, they are put in cheap houses in cheap areas where the locals already have nothing. It makes areas less desirable to live which is bad for existing tenants. It's the opposite of gentrification, it creates slums instead. It has nothing to do with the EU but this is one of the reasons that those people are anti-immigration.

paragraph 2 - how do you know? I wouldn’t have a clue on either countries criteria. You’re guessing by the looks

Paragraph 3 - I’m quite left in my views, but I do agree with Controlled immigration so I’m probably right leaning in regards to this. That is a different story to those crossing the channel, we should accept them and process them, and then once applied then decided what should happen.

paragraph 4 - agree people in these areas are likely to look directly how they are effected, they are also less educated and are likely to been taken in by Jonny foreigner right wing press to inflame their hatred for him/her
 
My alarm goes off when I hear someone use the word "brigade".

If someone has got as far as trying to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world in a rubber dinghy, then they almost certainly have a story and it's most likely a grim one. I think that the least we can do is hear their story first before deciding that they should be sent back. Especially as we, as empire builders, became wealthy and powerful by wandering around the world into other people's territories, without invitation, often by force ... exploiting their resources and their people. I don't doubt that the French should be taking their share too, but the notion that you can stop these attempts by turning them back is idiotic. The criminals that exploit them don't give a ****. They've already been paid.
Exploit is the right word for these people. They’ve paid to go to a certain destination. They are extremely vulnerable people, they are taken advantage of and are promised the dream. Sending a boat back won’t discourage criminals.

if you want to stop criminals you need to draw up plans around that. Good luck trying to set up a task force with France in the current climate and after leaving the EU
 
If these asylum seekers pay traffickers x-amount of pounds to board a dinghy, why don't they pay their fare on a ferry or plane? They've probably used some form of public transport to travel from Southern Italy to the French coast, not putting their lives at risk (except for their initial escape from their homeland), why put it at risk for the last 20 or so miles. The authorities of these European countries are just waving them through all the way to Calais. I have every sympathy for the women and children or complete family units being assisted but not these boat loads of young male economic migrants. I have lived in Middlesbrough all my life and I dislike the town so much that I would move away from the area if I could afford to. Uncontrolled immigration will bring the country to it's knees and we are well on our way to that now. I want to be able to walk safely and without concern in any area of this country, but this is slowly being taken away from us and it saddens me. Help the genuine women, children and family units but not these gangs of single male migrants who are abusing our social system and turning our urban city centres into ghetto's.
 
If these asylum seekers pay traffickers x-amount of pounds to board a dinghy, why don't they pay their fare on a ferry or plane? They've probably used some form of public transport to travel from Southern Italy to the French coast, not putting their lives at risk (except for their initial escape from their homeland), why put it at risk for the last 20 or so miles. The authorities of these European countries are just waving them through all the way to Calais. I have every sympathy for the women and children or complete family units being assisted but not these boat loads of young male economic migrants. I have lived in Middlesbrough all my life and I dislike the town so much that I would move away from the area if I could afford to. Uncontrolled immigration will bring the country to it's knees and we are well on our way to that now. I want to be able to walk safely and without concern in any area of this country, but this is slowly being taken away from us and it saddens me. Help the genuine women, children and family units but not these gangs of single male migrants who are abusing our social system and turning our urban city centres into ghetto's.
‘They’ve probably’

no research then.
 
There is no real difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker other than one has been officially accepted.

I presume your neighbours came through the proper channels, rather than the Channel?Were they "housed" next to you by the authorities or did they get out early and brought their existing wealth with them? Or did they live in a poor area until they were allowed to work where they could then move out immediately to your nice area leaving the previous slum still a slum and offering it no economic benefit?

No need to play dumb either. Look at the top 10 on the link I posted and see how many places on there are near the top of the socioeconomic scale. None. They are mostly Leave voting towns as well which tells me that people that feel the effects aren't happy. Leaving the EU won't help them but that contributes to why they are anti-immigration.

Completely unrelated to your content but your jumping around with blocks of copy and pasted text, bold highlights and different sized fonts is annoying to read on a mobile. There is a quote function which makes it much easier.



Lets be positive!

Here are some links you might find useful:

NORTH OF ENGLAND REFUGEE SERVICE: https://fis.middlesbrough.gov.uk/kb5/middlesbrough/fsd/service.page?id=hnbwj-bye9Q

FOOTBALL WELCOMES REFUGEES: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/football-welcomes-refugees

GOAL CLICK REFUGEES: https://www.unhcr.org/goalclick/

Heres a story of a refugee who settled in Middlesbrough and supports the Boro:
https://www.goal-click.com/mehdi-rakhshandeh

MFC Foundation is a Middlesbrough charity that uses the power of football to make a positive difference and began working with those seeking refuge and asylum in 2015. Weekly ‘Club Together’ football sessions started along with ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages) provision. Through funding from Amnesty International the programme was renamed Football Welcomes in 2019. It has developed to offer four weekly football sessions for both men and women. The Foundation is working with participants on Level One coaching and refereeing qualifications.


Mehdi Rakhshandeh
Can you tell us your personal story?

My name is Mehdi Rakhshandeh and was born in Rasht, a city in the north of Iran. I played football regularly as a goalkeeper in Iran, not at a high level or anything, just games with my friends from the local town. I was a sport photographer and reporter in Iran for 15 years. I worked for the Iranian Labour News Agency (ILNA) and was a photographer for the Iranian club Sepidrood Rasht S.C., but I left Iran in November 2017 and arrived in Middlesbrough in January 2018. Growing up in Iran the team I supported was Esteghlal FC but now I have adopted Middlesbrough as my team..............................[click link for more] https://www.goal-click.com/mehdi-rakhshandeh
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I flit in and out of these threads, occasionally contributing here and there but I find it difficult to reason with people to whom immigration is a big issue because all I read is fear. All talk of being overrun, ghettos, streets not being safe to walk around anymore etc. It's all based on (mostly irrational) fear, which has been deliberately stoked up by impossibly rich politicians who get even richer by doing so. Immigration has enriched all of our lives. For me, it's not a negative thing at all.
 
Again, none of this is the fault of the migrant, it is a government choice to do this. They scrimp and at every opportunity kick the littlest and rather than blame them people look for someone smaller to kick.

I know you're going to label me a middle class suburbanite - but I'm anything but and my road has people from Eritrea, India, France, Germany, the USA and.... Iraq and Syria living on it. And it's fantastic.
You must live on the same street as me then!!!!(y) Its called Real Life Street. :cool:
 
I flit in and out of these threads, occasionally contributing here and there but I find it difficult to reason with people to whom immigration is a big issue because all I read is fear. All talk of being overrun, ghettos, streets not being safe to walk around anymore etc. It's all based on (mostly irrational) fear, which has been deliberately stoked up by impossibly rich politicians who get even richer by doing so. Immigration has enriched all of our lives. For me, it's not a negative thing at all.
Morning Harry.
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GazC_MFC, I don't think that I need to carry out any research to add my opinion to a topic in a football forum, sorry if this provoked you to be sarcastic, and Harry V, maybe the term Ghetto's is OTT but I have spent my life living in the Parliament Road area and seen the area change so much that I genuinely don't enjoy walking around an area that I was born and brought up in, and that includes the anti-social drug activities that the area also suffers from.
 
I’m pretty confident that if the shoe was on the other foot, some of those on this thread who are so judgemental and critical about those using dinghy to cross the channel, would be pushing women and children out of the way to make sure their family are first in the queue to board a boat to somewhere safe and where people spoke a language they could understand and there were already community support systems set up for them. I’m also pretty confident some of them would pull up the gangway behind them and leave their fellow countrymen behind to rot.
 
GazC_MFC, I don't think that I need to carry out any research to add my opinion to a topic in a football forum, sorry if this provoked you to be sarcastic, and Harry V, maybe the term Ghetto's is OTT but I have spent my life living in the Parliament Road area and seen the area change so much that I genuinely don't enjoy walking around an area that I was born and brought up in, and that includes the anti-social drug activities that the area also suffers from.
I hear you. In much the same way, I don't need to do any research to decide that you are a racist.
 
GazC_MFC, I don't think that I need to carry out any research to add my opinion to a topic in a football forum, sorry if this provoked you to be sarcastic, and Harry V, maybe the term Ghetto's is OTT but I have spent my life living in the Parliament Road area and seen the area change so much that I genuinely don't enjoy walking around an area that I was born and brought up in, and that includes the anti-social drug activities that the area also suffers from.

Do you think that is all down to immigrants?

Uncontrolled immigration will bring the country to it's knees and we are well on our way to that now. I want to be able to walk safely and without concern in any area of this country, but this is slowly being taken away from us and it saddens me. Help the genuine women, children and family units but not these gangs of single male migrants who are abusing our social system and turning our urban city centres into ghetto's.

Is it only immigrants that make you feel unable to walk safely and without concern in any area of the country?
These single male migrants - might they be helping ‘genuine women and children’ by working hard for a pittance and sending money ‘home‘ to them?
As for your prediction that uncontrolled immigration will bring the country to its knees, I’m afraid you are missing the real reason the country is going down the dilly at a rate of knots. Here’s a clue....you possibly voted for it.
 
GazC_MFC, I don't think that I need to carry out any research to add my opinion to a topic in a football forum, sorry if this provoked you to be sarcastic, and Harry V, maybe the term Ghetto's is OTT but I have spent my life living in the Parliament Road area and seen the area change so much that I genuinely don't enjoy walking around an area that I was born and brought up in, and that includes the anti-social drug activities that the area also suffers from.
I know the Parly Road area well, I've spent quite a bit of time walking its streets over the past few years. What you refer to - drug dealing etc - is the direct result of 10 years of austerity imposed by the UK government, the same government who many people in Teesside have voted back in.
 
‘They’ve probably’

no research then. This country has never had contolled
GazC_MFC, I don't think that I need to carry out any research to add my opinion to a topic in a football forum, sorry if this provoked you to be sarcastic, and Harry V, maybe the term Ghetto's is OTT but I have spent my life living in the Parliament Road area and seen the area change so much that I genuinely don't enjoy walking around an area that I was born and brought up in, and that includes the anti-social drug activities that the area also suffers from.

what do you base you opinion on without a little research?
 
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