Channel Migrants (Admin advisory. Contains disturbing image and repulsive views)

Maybe. I don't think I am left. I hate the current government because their corruption and failures since the election have let me, and everyone in the country, down. I'm very much pro immigration because I just can't bring myself to hate people from different countries or with different colour skin from I. Economically I'm very right wing/capitalist and law and order wise the same.

You keep saying the word hate small town.
It is possible to empathise with the predicament some people find themselves in whilst still managing to control immigration, make sure the right people get help, knowing who is coming and going and managing the numbers.
 
I see I'm going to be busy this evening. By far and away the country that has taken in most Syrian refugees is Turkey. I met a fair few last year. Lovely people, all of them. Some orphaned children. Here's an illegal immigrant at work in a border bazaar (Sanliurfa).View attachment 5477
Oh no does that mean you will be too busy to fix my account - I can’t believe given what I’ve seen written on this thread that I am still on the naughty step (reason undetermined), what I can say is that I have never written anything that comes close close to some of the hateful posts on this thread for which people aren’t even being banned. Come on Borolad.
 
Ant parent who would put his or her 2 year old child in a dingy or non sea worthy boat is a piece of ****. It is not our fault, my fault or any body else's fault other than the parent. The best thing to do in my opinion is to deny entry and deport to the place where they come from. Let every one know they are not welcome and I say this to save lives of more innocent children. If there is no incentive to leave then they won't die at sea.
Trouble is.....The places they are fleeing are being bombed and torn apart by foreign mercenaries using weapons and armaments made in Britain.
British weapons kill thousands each year in Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, ......
 
You keep saying the word hate small town.
It is possible to empathise with the predicament some people find themselves in whilst still managing to control immigration, make sure the right people get help, knowing who is coming and going and managing the numbers.
And how is this achieved then? Genuine question and apologies. I thought you were one of the "send em back to France" brigade
 
Ant parent who would put his or her 2 year old child in a dingy or non sea worthy boat is a piece of ****. It is not our fault, my fault or any body else's fault other than the parent. The best thing to do in my opinion is to deny entry and deport to the place where they come from. Let every one know they are not welcome and I say this to save lives of more innocent children. If there is no incentive to leave then they won't die at sea.
Again no idea why they flee,people flee when being abused.
 
Ant parent who would put his or her 2 year old child in a dingy or non sea worthy boat is a piece of ****. It is not our fault, my fault or any body else's fault other than the parent. The best thing to do in my opinion is to deny entry and deport to the place where they come from. Let every one know they are not welcome and I say this to save lives of more innocent children. If there is no incentive to leave then they won't die at sea.

They are not pieces of ****, they are parents who love their kids just like you and me.

The fact that they are so desperate to leave their country while putting themselves and their children at risk shows exactly the horrific pressure and grim circumstances they are living under.

Can't you see that?
 
Oh no does that mean you will be too busy to fix my account - I can’t believe given what I’ve seen written on this thread that I am still on the naughty step (reason undetermined), what I can say is that I have never written anything that comes close close to some of the hateful posts on this thread for which people aren’t even being banned. Come on Borolad.

Fair enough. I'll take you out of limbo. Don't make me regret it by acting like a Tory shill. What's your boro connection by the way (sorry if I sound abrupt, I'm on holiday and these pricks have ***ed me right off).
 
Fair enough. I'll take you out of limbo. Don't make me regret it by acting like a Tory shill. What's your boro connection by the way (sorry if I sound abrupt, I'm on holiday and these pricks have p****d me right off).
I was born and bred in eston but have lived in London for the past 20 years.

Ill stay away from the political posts - they are energy zapping on a good day!

thanks.
 
I was born and bred in eston but have lived in London for the past 20 years.

mill stay away from the political posts - they are energy zapping on a good day!

thanks.

No problem, and that's probably wise. If you think they are energy sapping for you ..... well, you can guess the rest. Cheers Estonian Lad.
 
And how is this achieved then? Genuine question and apologies. I thought you were one of the "send em back to France" brigade

I’m actually in the keep them in their own country brigade. Spend the money on policing immigration, social housing, social care on foreign aid. Help them rebuild.

I like the idea of some kind of immigration centre at the Cypriot airbase where decisions can be made before people travel to Italy France Spain and then the south coast.

You see by not controlling it properly you play into the hands of racists. It bites you on the **** twice.

I did vote brexit. A lot was based on immigration but not primarily.

I can’t see why people wouldn’t want Controlled immigration and the end of illegal immigration. There 2 different things aren’t they?
 
Nope but at the same time I wouldn’t risk my sons life by travelling through dozens of countries and across thousands of miles of land, borders and water. Is France not a safe country and does persecution and harm suddenly end when they cross the channel?

The more you take in, the more you help and the more you give shelter and aid to, then the more you will encourage to come here and the more will die trying to achieve it.

Anyone that chooses to travel through and leave safe countries like France in order to get to the U.K. is a economic migrant, this is illegal immigration that costs lives and only benefits criminals.

How many migrant camps do we have in this country? It’s the last stop and the holy grail for economic migrants. We aren’t returning them all and we aren’t housing them in camps like other countries so why do you think they keep trying to come here? If we did house them in camps like France they wouldn’t be so keen to risk their lives to get here. The only way you are going to stop people dying is to stop giving them the incentive to get to the U.K. by travelling half way round the world and leaving safe counties.

Maybe you need to go back in the dinghy.
 
I’m actually in the keep them in their own country brigade. Spend the money on policing immigration, social housing, social care on foreign aid. Help them rebuild.

I like the idea of some kind of immigration centre at the Cypriot airbase where decisions can be made before people travel to Italy France Spain and then the south coast.

You see by not controlling it properly you play into the hands of racists. It bites you on the **** twice.

I did vote brexit. A lot was based on immigration but not primarily.

I can’t see why people wouldn’t want Controlled immigration and the end of illegal immigration. There 2 different things aren’t they?

I control the immigration policy of this board. I think you may have to pass a citizen test in order to reside here.
 
We share a planet and these human beings share a common ancestry with us. Our ancestors first decided to put down roots and farm on the fertile crescent, which is largely Northern Syria, the mesapotamian plain. The are our brothers and sisters. Beautiful and cultrured cities like Aleppo have been levelled. There's nothing left of them. That we did nothing to stop it happening is shameful enough, but to begrudge these people safe haven is just disgusting. We are a wealthy country ... and we've become wealthier by accepting the money of Russian crooks ... we certainly make room for them. If you are the kind of little englander **** who basks in some notional idea of greatness that was fought for by a generation who opposed fascism and the persecution of refugees with a middle eastern origin, then this ain't the board for you.
Great post BL
 
The perfect solution would be to have a two tiered tax system then everybody wins. The basic system where people pay what they have to and then a optional levy that people like r00fie can pay extra directly towards housing and feeding these economic migrants. These people can get the help they need and only those that want to pay and can pay towards them do so. It would allow people like r00fie to feel vastly superior to everyone else too. I suspect a lot of people that say we need to help these people though don’t actually want to pay themselves, they want everyone to pay, it’s a bit like the multimillionaire Geldof who I’m assuming is still waiting for those asylum seekers to move into his house. It’s all irrelevant to me anyway, I work in aviation so along with 10% of the population come October I probably won’t be paying any tax for years.

Patronage and personal abuse dont put you or your opinions in a positive light.

I work with people - some of whom have ended up in the gutter, with complex mental health and other issues - bottom of the pile - including Armed Forces Veterans.
If the only way you can counter reasoned argument is with rubbish about superiority, then you need to reflect and ask why you cant present a considered reply.

I suggest we cut the personal abuse and focus on those tax dodgers and avoiders - like Amazon, who screw us by paying a miniscule amount into the treasury by creative accounting.

I suggest we spend less of our taxes funding jobs for the boys and corrupt deals in Government. Maybe stop subsidising failed Privatised Railway Franchise Companies. Perhaps we could campaign against "contracting out" [Privatisation - money for profit] NHS Services and keep the money for investment in public services.

Theres no shortage of money to bail out the banks.

Just to finish: Like you, I work for a living and pay income tax. There are many things which people in power do with our money which I dont particularly agree with.
If you want what you earn just for you - then there are the Channel Islands and various other British dependencies ["Tax havens" - for tax dodgers] where you can pile it as high as you like and pay for everything yourself.
Mty tax, like yours, pays towards
elderly care,
pre-school nurseries,
specialist care services such as end-of-life,
cancer-care,
acquired brain injury,
organic conditions such as demenetia,
drug and alcohol services,
domestic violence and safeguarding services,
child protection,
acute adult mental health services,
eating disorder services,
emergency services in Hospitals and in the community ......but I dont begrudge any of them money from my income tax and national insurance, because one day it might be us that needs any or all of those services.

As a "civilised" (?!) country I dont deny anyone the right to a roof over their head, heating, lighting and food.

We owe it to our fellow human beings to treat everyone with dignity, respect, empathy, care and give them the tools to make positive decisions in their lives.

Alegedly the 6th richest country per capita in the world - where is this capital?
Who has power over it?
Why are the many, not the few, left paying for the rich to keep hold of it, when our needs (99%) are far greater?

Keep the abuse to yourself and we can all have a reasoned debate, using facts and figures - not heresay, anecdotes and newspaper headlines.
Thanks.
 
I’m actually in the keep them in their own country brigade. Spend the money on policing immigration, social housing, social care on foreign aid. Help them rebuild.

I like the idea of some kind of immigration centre at the Cypriot airbase where decisions can be made before people travel to Italy France Spain and then the south coast.

You see by not controlling it properly you play into the hands of racists. It bites you on the **** twice.

I did vote brexit. A lot was based on immigration but not primarily.

I can’t see why people wouldn’t want Controlled immigration and the end of illegal immigration. There 2 different things aren’t they?

In an ideal world that would be possible but we don’t live in such a place and wars, natural disasters and persecution for all manner of reasons continue to exist, this is not the fault of the people at large but of those that govern, yet it seems many people are focused on those being caused to flee and not on what is causing the circumstances that make their lives hell.

Let’s be honest none of us would know what we would do given the circumstances, the majority of refugees I met were ordinary people put into extraordinary circumstances, the Syrian conflict in particular had few clear sides, in some circumstances it was join ISIS or leave, rather than be condemned their bravery and fortitude should be saluted, I reiterate those to blame are the ones pointing the finger at those who are impacted the greatest.
 
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In an ideal world that would be possible but we don’t live in such a place and wars, natural disasters and persecution for all manner of reasons continue to exist, this is not the fault of the people at large but of those that govern, yet it seems many people are focused on those being caused to flee and not on what is causing the circumstances that make their lives hell.

Let’s be honest none of us would know what we would given the circumstances, the majority of refugees I met were ordinary people put into extraordinary circumstances, the Syrian conflict in particular had few clear sides, in some circumstances it was join ISIS or leave, rather than be condemned their bravery and fortitude should be saluted, I reiterate those to blame are the ones pointing the finger at those who are impacted the greatest.

I’ve been to the Middle East. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The large majority have fvck all. That’s includes Kuwait and the like.
My stance is just controlled immigration.
There’s no doubt that those on both sides of the fence want the dinghys to stop
 
I control the immigration policy of this board. I think you may have to pass a citizen test in order to reside here.

What would be the problem with citizen tests?
Whilst we’re on that I’d also like more integration when people get here and not the exclusion and division we have. It’s come on a lot because I didn’t have a black friend until I was probably 15. My kids have a large group of friends of different ethnicities and religions. They’re more to the left than me.
 
What would be the problem with citizen tests?
Whilst we’re on that I’d also like more integration when people get here and not the exclusion and division we have. It’s come on a lot because I didn’t have a black friend until I was probably 15. My kids have a large group of friends of different ethnicities and religions. They’re more to the left than me.
I think borolad's citizen test comment has gone way above your head there facefuzz.
 
I see I'm going to be busy this evening. By far and away the country that has taken in most Syrian refugees is Turkey. I met a fair few last year. Lovely people, all of them. Some orphaned children. Here's an illegal immigrant at work in a border bazaar (Sanliurfa).View attachment 5477

There a Syrian place in darlo. Came here with nothing set up a stall then was able to set up a premises.

what a top guy as well, nothing too much trouble

who knew pickled turnip was a delight

the point though is these people come hoping for opportunity and they provide to the system

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/b...yrian-refugees-new-restaurant-for-darlington/
 
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