Channel Migrants (Admin advisory. Contains disturbing image and repulsive views)

SmallTown said:
It sort of is. A lot of people with a hatred of immigrants voted Brexit for it.
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I don't hate immigrants (hate is a very strong word) but I do believe ILLEGAL immigrants should be returned to the place where they came from immediately prior to coming to the UK ( i.e. France in most cases)
 
r00fie1 said:
.......but those that are crossing the channel are economic migrants and not fleeing persecution. Proof ?

"We can’t even house and feed the homeless" (?)

Ask yourself what has happened in the last 40 years which has lead to at least half of our public housing stock being handed over to the private market?
Who made that decision and why?
Ask why Local Authorities have not been allowed to build thousands of houses for social need?
Who and what has prevented them?
Who has benefited from the transfer of tenancies to the private sector?
Why have more people with complex needs, especially mental health issues, ended up being homeless than 40 years ago?

Did "immigrants" close day centres, sure start centres, elderly persons homes, libraries, youth clubs, local resource centres,local post offices, withdraw local social bus services or farm out profitable NHS services to private vultures?

Have "immigrants" sold off British Telecom, Royal Mail, British Rail, British Steel, Water Utilities, Electricity generation and supply, British Gas, National Express, British Airports Authority, deregulated local bus and public transport infrastructure, reduced taxes on the rich whilst cutting public sector wages through under-inflation increases [see NHS Nurses]..................where did the "profits" go from the public purse?

Did "immigrants" bail out bankers who forced their own system to come crashing down?

The answer is not "immigrants" - but those in power and their friends.
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Hard to argue with that.

Thatcher destroyed society and the communities of the North East still have not recovered
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
As a father would you risk the life of your family staying put when in danger?

The only reason we can't feed and house everybody is because we choose not to. Tories are at the forefront of such decisions. If you vote for them then you vote to accept suffering.
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Nope but at the same time I wouldn’t risk my sons life by travelling through dozens of countries and across thousands of miles of land, borders and water. Is France not a safe country and does persecution and harm suddenly end when they cross the channel?

The more you take in, the more you help and the more you give shelter and aid to, then the more you will encourage to come here and the more will die trying to achieve it.

Anyone that chooses to travel through and leave safe countries like France in order to get to the U.K. is a economic migrant, this is illegal immigration that costs lives and only benefits criminals.

How many migrant camps do we have in this country? It’s the last stop and the holy grail for economic migrants. We aren’t returning them all and we aren’t housing them in camps like other countries so why do you think they keep trying to come here? If we did house them in camps like France they wouldn’t be so keen to risk their lives to get here. The only way you are going to stop people dying is to stop giving them the incentive to get to the U.K. by travelling half way round the world and leaving safe counties.
 
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Second Mate said:
I repeat
So, they are escaping war and danger.

Good job our fathers and grandfathers didn't run to the US, Canada, Aussie et al in 1939.
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I'd imagine that if the UK was invaded by an overwhelmingly superior force, had all it's infrastructure destroyed and then been left in ruins and anarchy, then quite a lot of people would be attempting to clear off somewhere better.
 
I see I'm going to be busy this evening. By far and away the country that has taken in most Syrian refugees is Turkey. I met a fair few last year. Lovely people, all of them. Some orphaned children. Here's an illegal immigrant at work in a border bazaar (Sanliurfa).syrian lad s.jpg
 
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Second Mate said:
So, they are escaping war and danger.

Good job our fathers and grandfathers didn't run to the US, Canada, Aussie et al in 1939.
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It's not even accurate history. At the onset of WW2 Europe was awash with people fleeing the war. We sent many children to Canada and the "colonies", we even considered sending the Royal Family there. We moved children out of cities and the South East (which was largely militarized). The major reason there wasn't a mass exodus was simply one of geography there was nowhere left to run to. Crossing the Atlantic to Canada was fraught with danger (I expect you are familiar with the story of the SS Lusitania in WW1?). In the aftermath of the war Europe was littered with displaced people.

So you are lazily using inaccurate historical propaganda of British/English Exceptionalism as either an excuse for your own lack of any form of empathy or your latent xenophobia.
 
UKLL1981 said:
Nope but at the same time I wouldn’t risk my sons life by travelling through dozens of countries and across thousands of miles of land, borders and water. Is France not a safe country and does persecution and harm suddenly end when they cross the channel?

The more you take in, the more you help and the more you give shelter and aid to, then the more you will encourage to come here and the more will die trying to achieve it.

Anyone that chooses to travel through and leave safe countries like France in order to get to the U.K. is a economic migrant, this is illegal immigration that costs lives and only benefits criminals.

How many migrant camps do we have in this country? It’s the last stop and the holy grail for economic migrants. We aren’t returning them all and we aren’t housing them in camps like other countries so why do you think they keep trying to come here? Maybe if we housed them in camps like France they wouldn’t be so keen to risk their lives to get here. The only way you are going to stop people dying is to stop giving them the incentive to get to the U.K. by travelling half way round the world and leaving safe counties.
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Why are we at the bottom of the league of all major European countries where refugees who apply [for asylum] are granted asylum?

" It’s the last stop and the holy grail for economic migrants..." Really? Has Paul Golding been writing on walls again.....
 
2.1 Asylum applications by nationality [These are the latest complete figures].

The nationalities with the largest number of asylum applications in the year ending March 2018 were:

  • Iranian (2,482 applications, down 26%)
  • Pakistani (2,401, down 13%)
  • Iraqi (2,391, down 2%)
  • Sudanese (1,754, up 25%)
  • Bangladeshi (1,542, down 20%)

In the year ending March 2018, the number of applications from Syrian nationals fell 42% compared with the previous year (from 1,074 to 619), a fall consistent with the previous two years.

Over the same period, there was a fall in both the number of Syrian nationals granted asylum (down 54%) and a 20% decrease in the number of Syrian nationals being granted protection in the UK through other means such as the VPRS (from 5,453 to 4,342).

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Compare the statistics concerning "immigration" with the number of International Students in the UK and it puts the comparatively small number into its shadow:
International Students in UK Growth Trend Over the Years

  • According to 2018/2019 statistics from the Higher Education Statistics Agency, there are currently 485,645 international students pursuing their degree in the UK. The number has experienced an increase from the previous year statistics which encompassed a total of 458,520.
  • The UK Government has announced that the number of students who were granted a Sponsored Study (Tier 4) visa in the year ending in September 2019, was 276,889. This has shown to be a 16% increase from the previous year, and was noted to be the highest level of Tier 4 granted visas since the year 2011.
  • The total number of students enrolled in Higher Education institutions, as of 2018/2019, is 2,383,970, including both international as well as students whose home country is the UK. This has shown a 2% increase from 2017/18.
  • 32% of first year non-UK students, which translates to a total of 86,485, are international students arriving from China. (!!!!)
  • OMG! They are smuggling them in ........
 
A major part of the problem are the rules on asylum, and that you have to be in the country you want to apply to settle in, these rules are causing the issues as much as anything, people who speak English would rather settle in the U.K. and when you ally that with the Government not fulfilling its promised quota’s to the UNHCR it encourages rather than deters desperate people to take desperate action.

We are far from being the chosen destination of the majority of asylum seekers and refugees, the figures show that for a country with our population we take far fewer than nations with similar demographics, the belief perpetrated in the media and by many pro-Brexit supporters that we are somehow exceptional isn’t reflected by the rest of the world.

The salient point in this country is that immigration and economic migrants have boosted the country rather than harmed it and the people in government who are responsible for the cutbacks and removal of social responsibility have managed to shift the blame in the eyes of many from themselves onto a tiny proportion of people.
 
We share a planet and these human beings share a common ancestry with us. Our ancestors first decided to put down roots and farm on the fertile crescent, which is largely Northern Syria, the mesapotamian plain. The are our brothers and sisters. Beautiful and cultrured cities like Aleppo have been levelled. There's nothing left of them. That we did nothing to stop it happening is shameful enough, but to begrudge these people safe haven is just disgusting. We are a wealthy country ... and we've become wealthier by accepting the money of Russian crooks ... we certainly make room for them. If you are the kind of little englander **** who basks in some notional idea of greatness that was fought for by a generation who opposed fascism and the persecution of refugees with a middle eastern origin, then this ain't the board for you.
 
Facefuzz said:
Very sad that picture. As a father I would do anything for my kids. I’d swim the channel with them on my back however something needs to be done and the kids don’t die.
We are being overrun and the numbers on this island cannot continue to grow as they are.
In only a few generations there will be famine on these shores, high crime, low unemployment, unimaginable poverty.
I posted yesterday about Belgium and Holland being beautiful places and people going through them to get here. Why?
I think we all know the answer. The benefits package on offer. After all, as pointed out in the blm threads, racist is rife here don’t you know.
I’ve been to the Middle East. They have fvck all and I mean fvck all. It’s horrendous to witness actually.
I do however believe that we have a duty to protect what we have and if that means turning boats around then that’s what will have to happen.
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Ant parent who would put his or her 2 year old child in a dingy or non sea worthy boat is a piece of ****. It is not our fault, my fault or any body else's fault other than the parent. The best thing to do in my opinion is to deny entry and deport to the place where they come from. Let every one know they are not welcome and I say this to save lives of more innocent children. If there is no incentive to leave then they won't die at sea.
 
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