Carrick to West Ham?

DimisLegCramps said:
if carrick would be daft enough to go there he will be back looking for work by next xmas. This is a team that just won a european trophy and are sitting top 10 in the PL and their fans still want more.
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The issue is right there in your post tbh - SOME fans want more, and some journalists have latched onto that because they’re never off Twitter and use phone-ins and Talksport as a gauge for supporters’ opinion. It’s actually a tiny percentage of fans who engage with these things but, as we see on this board and on Tees after Boro defeats, that minority shouts the loudest.

If you listen to broadsheet newspaper football podcasts, they’ll always reference what’s happening on Twitter when discussing fan reaction to defeats and supposed controversy. This is despite the overwhelming majority of fans not being on Twitter or X or leaving below the line comments. But lazy journos lap it up and treat it as gospel. They don’t qualify it and they certainly don’t bother going out to talk to real people any more.
 
As much as we look at this through Boro eyes, he would be crazy not to take it. Imagine it was the Ipswich manager, would we be saying the same thing.

- Huge salary increase
- Club he has a emotional connection to
- Premiership football
- European Football
- Potential to be a top 6-10 club
_ Top level stadium (debatable) and facilities

In reality he could lose the next 10 boro games in a row and get sacked, with his reputation in tatters.
 
It's certainly possible, but Carrick seems very level headed and I'd hope he realises he has a bit more developing to do as a manager yet before carefully thinking about his next move.

He's been there and done it all as a player, so I think it makes it less likely he'll have his head turned by the bright lights of the Premier league (unlike Wilder).

I don't think he's that bothered about his reputation or status as a manager. He just wants to do a good job. He'll want to manage at as high a level as possible obviously but I think he'll be very careful over what job he chooses and the timing of any move.

If he thinks that the right move is West Ham in the summer, so be it. But, assuming we don't go up, I think there's a pretty good chance he'll want to try and finish the job here by giving it another season regardless of what other offers there are.
 
Carrick is doing a good job here.. if he feels he cannot do anymore then I'm sure he will move on.

Very early in his career and still lots to learn. West Ham is a bit of a weird one.. there is the old connection there.. but that was playing not managing. Not sure if that will necessarily be the next step for Carrick tbh.. he's got to have promotion under his belt imo at the very least. See Lampard for how not to do it.
 
B_G said:
Why would Chelsea appoint Lampard?

Why would Man Utd appoint Solsjkaer?

Why would Arsenal appoint Arteta?

All rookie managers with big reputations that were appointed at elite Premier League club that they played for.
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Lampard is a Chelsea legend, appointed during an embargo when Sarri quit to become Juventus manager.

Solsjkaer is a Man United legend, appointed on an interim basis after the mid-season sacking of Mourinho, with no initial intent of it being permanent, he just did surprisingly well and got the job full time.

Arteta was a recent Arsenal player and FA Cup winning Captain, and assistant to the best manager in the world, appointed mid-season after Unai Emery was sacked.

Carrick is just a former West Ham player who was there 20 years ago and is currently at a mid-table club in the Championship.
I don't see Moyes getting sacked mid-season, so I think the only way that West Ham would be genuinely interested in Carrick in the summer would be if we improve and finish in the play-offs.

Hopefully both Moyes and Carrick have successful seasons and then it won't be an issue.
 
TeaCider said:
Lampard is a Chelsea legend, appointed during an embargo when Sarri quit to become Juventus manager.

Solsjkaer is a Man United legend, appointed on an interim basis after the mid-season sacking of Mourinho, with no initial intent of it being permanent, he just did surprisingly well and got the job full time.

Arteta was a recent Arsenal player and FA Cup winning Captain, and assistant to the best manager in the world, appointed mid-season after Unai Emery was sacked.

Carrick is just a former West Ham player who was there 20 years ago and is currently at a mid-table club in the Championship.
I don't see Moyes getting sacked mid-season, so I think the only way that West Ham would be genuinely interested in Carrick in the summer would be if we improve and finish in the play-offs.

Hopefully both Moyes and Carrick have successful seasons and then it won't be an issue.
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They are still all rookie managers appointed by top Premier League clubs it's not like it doesn't happen.

I think you are under stating Carrick's time with West Ham.... "just a former West Ham player". He came through their academy and went on to have a great career both domestically and internationally. Similar to Downing at Boro. He was also one of their only top players who showed some loyalty stayed with them when they were relegated and helped them back to the Premier League. I'm sure he is well thought of by West Ham fans.

Carrick worked alongside Mourinho at Man Utd as his assistant and has shown some real positive management skills with Boro already. I would personally say Carrick's management experience and CV is more attractive than what Arteta's was when he was appointed at Arsenal or either of the other two I mentioned.
 
He is struggling with the pressure of being boro manager at the moment and meeting expectations. He is making slow progress with us but hasnt achieved anything significant. Westham should look at Keiran Mckenna now he is working wonders
 
Boro4life said:
He is struggling with the pressure of being boro manager at the moment and meeting expectations. He is making slow progress with us but hasnt achieved anything significant. Westham should look at Keiran Mckenna now he is working wonders
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He's struggling to move us forward because of the standard of the players he's being given and the amount of injuries/suspensions within the squad.

If anyone expected Carrick to improve our league position after replacing Akpom/Archer/Ramsey/Giles with Silvera/Rogers/Greenwood/Lath/Engel then they are deluded. It would have been extremely impressive.
 
B_G said:
He's struggling to move us forward because of the standard of the players he's being given and the amount of injuries/suspensions within the squad.

If anyone expected Carrick to improve our league position after replacing Akpom/Archer/Ramsey/Giles with Silvera/Rogers/Greenwood/Lath/Engel then they are deluded. It would have been extremely impressive.
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Mckenna Ipswich are 2nd in the league with a squad of league 1 players and players we viewed as not being good enough for us eg Morsy
 
Boro4life said:
Mckenna Ipswich are 2nd in the league with a squad of league 1 players and players we viewed as not being good enough for us eg Morsy
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Ipswich are having a fantastic season and a lot of credit to McKenna for that. Probably a bit disrepectful to call them a squad of League 1 players. They are showing they are better than that. The same as Luton did last season.

You take Hackney out of our team and we are bog standard Championship squad. He is the one quality player who looks like he could play at a higher level. There's plenty of players within our squad playing plenty of matches who would look at home in League 1 as well. Carrick is probably over achieving this season with what he's got and he did an excellent job last season turning around a struggling team. If Carrick leaves, I would be very very surprised if another manager came in and improved the results with these players.
 
B_G said:
Ipswich are having a fantastic season and a lot of credit to McKenna for that. Probably a bit disrepectful to call them a squad of League 1 players. They are showing they are better than that. The same as Luton did last season.

You take Hackney out of our team and we are bog standard Championship squad. He is the one quality player who looks like he could play at a higher level. There's plenty of players within our squad playing plenty of matches who would look at home in League 1 as well. Carrick is probably over achieving this season with what he's got and he did an excellent job last season turning around a struggling team. If Carrick leaves, I would be very very surprised if another manager came in and improved the results with these players.
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The truth is though we have spent alot more on this squad than Ipswich have and on paper our squad has more pedigree so it is not right a team like Ipswich are above us when our squads been assembled for more
 
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It'd be a risk for West Ham in my opinion. He's a new manager with little experience, they are not in a position to take risks. If they got rid of Moyes, I think they need an experienced head in.
 
Boro4life said:
The truth is though we have spent alot more on this squad than Ipswich are and on paparr our saud has more pedigree so it is not right a team like Ipswich are above us when our squads been assembled for more
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Again... got to look at the recruitment. Boro have overspent on players for years.
 
This rumour was in the realm of London social media about two or three months ago, this just looks like an amplification of that.
Hopefully, it’s all bollix.
 
West Ham fans are unhappy with the style of play currently. Even though its being serving them well (until the weekend of course). Its not too dissimilar to what we had under McLaren - success but an element of disgruntled fans due to the style of play.

All clubs want to be playing like City/Liverpool and winning and they think simply changing a manager will achieve it. People like Moyes are classed as dinosaurs now and fans want these young, ambitious and trendy managers to come in and change their fortunes.

I could see West Ham coming in for him should results start to drop off. However, i am not sure its the right move for both West Ham and Carrick at this stage.

We shall see
 
Lets face it Boro are not going to get promoted this year, as we are a club in transition. I would be surprised if Carrick would take a PL job until he has achieved something and I would be surprised if a PL club would want him until then either. He's got his whole managerial career ahead of him and he is still learning. What's the hurry?
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
West Ham would be mental to sack David Moyes. He’s led them to a European trophy, three consecutive seasons of European football, 6th and 7th place finishes. This was AFTER they’d sacked him so they could appoint a fancy Continental manager, who delivered nowt and left a mess Moyes was reappointed to clear up.

They’re currently 6 points off the Champions League places, top of their Europa League group, in the League Cup quarters, and below the eight teams in the league you’d fully expect them to be below.

Sacking him now would be absolutely scandalous imo.
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110% agree.

He’s done far more than Potter did at an unfashionable club, and not far off Emery - and he’s done it season after season after season.

David Moyes is a F***ing great manager and if West Ham sack him they’ll get what they deserve within a few seasons, which will be relegation.
 
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