Glover_elbow
Well-known member
We played a pub team yesterday
Can you admit that Southgate is doing a great job yet?
- Thread starter Scrug
- Start date
How many teams in the euros these days and world cup? What standard are they? It's just a ridiculous twisting of statistics, congratulations.
And an additional 'competitive' competition in the nations league. Marty you're so silly.
Name a better team on paper in world football and or a better 23.
No-one has a team to respond with outside of possibly France.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Well I think you've sort of answered the question with a question.
I don't think there are many 'better' XIs out there, the England side is probably one of 4 or 5 who are all of a similar standard in my opinion (on paper only), but I wouldn't say it is above the rest and should just 'expect' to win tournaments per se.
Last edited:
BoroMart
Well-known member
Glad you are on board that Southgate is a success
Attachments
Souness and the team disagree and so do I and the majority of others.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
That wasn't the question. "better tournament history than us in a knockout stage match at either at World Cup or Euros"
So silly Marty, Germany were dump in 21' and they're dump now.
If the retort will always be 'yeah but they were rubbish at that time' (BECAUSE England beat them) then he cannot win.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
the majority of other what? people? I'm really not sure about that mate.
And I thought Souness had retired so I dunno what he's been spouting. He should stick to swimming. He's Scottish anyway!
Japan beat them 4-1 last week but I'll give you in terms of the specific way the question was asked you're right.
England's best result under Southgate is beating Germany 2-0 at home.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia.
France lost to Argentina.
(England lost to France too).
As I say, its not really about single results, but Southgate did achieve the thing that was asked above.
Marvanelli
Well-known member
We are still yet to beat a 'big team' in a KO match of a major tournament outside of England.....ever
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Errr, Ecuador, Belgium, Cameroon, Denmark, Colombia, Sweden, Senegal......
Ok Colombia was on pens.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Here is an actual mind-blowing stat, with no subjectivity whatsoever. England have won just one European Championship knockout match in their history (outside of England). The 4-0 win in Rome over Ukraine under Southgate.
I would expect us to add to this next summer.
I would expect us to add to this next summer.
InglebyUTB
Well-known member
They did not have better squads, this squad is the best we have had in my lifetime. What are we supposed to be careful to not wish for? He's won absolutley nothing despite that squad, favourable cup draws and what ended up being a home tournament.
We've got a group of top class players, managed by a bloke who most of the Premier League clubs wouldn't employ as their manager.
InglebyUTB
Well-known member
Capello is still number one for England coaches with the best win %, interesting that you left that stat out.
Not that I think it matters much these days, the vast majority of games are meaningless when you're playing the likes of Iran, Malta, San Marino, Andorra, etc.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
That's always the case, because he's English and like it or not, the PL clubs (and most fans) hate English managers. His predecessors were Allardyce, Hodgson, (Capello) and McClaren. Those 3 were never wanted by any of the big PL clubs either (Hodgson had a disastrous spell at Liverpool and was loathed, Allardyce was loathed at Everton and McClaren at Newcastle).
You watch - Howe and Dyche (and O'Neil) will soon follow the fate of Potter to be replaced by a foreigner.
Last edited:
TeaCider
Well-known member
We beat Spain 3-1 on aggregate in the quarter-finals and the Soviet Union 2-0 in the third place play-off in 1968.
A big part of that stat is because we've not actually played many knock-out matches.
We've only played 12, including that third place match, and 5 of them were in England.
So that's only 5 knock-out matches abroad we haven't won, and we lost 3 of them on penalties.
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Ok, so we've won 1 out of 7. It's still not a great achievement.
We have experienced CBs. John Stones has won 5 PL titles, a champions league and everything else with City. Maguire is rubbish at the moment but he's definitely experienced. Walker has played CB plenty of times and won everything there is to win. Tomori is a Serie A winner, Dunk has played hundreds of PL matches.
We do have some injury prone FBs but we have loads of them.
We have 2 that have been purchased for a combined £150m in the last 2 summers by the two top teams in England.
We only have 1 CF that is top level but he rarely misses a game so where is the problem?
On top of that we have some of the best talent in world football in Bellingham, Saka, Grealish, Maddison, Foden, Rashford etc.
We haven't got a huge depth in some positions but you can only play one at a time and when it has mattered in tournaments we have usually had the majority of our first choice 11 available. There aren't any countries that have no weaknesses in their squad, that's just the nature of international football.