Can we keep Hackney?

He won't go anywhere in January unless we are a million miles from the play offs and someone offers stupid money 20+ for him. This isn't going to happen.

I suspect that while we have Carrick, while Hackney is in teh side, and while we are showing ambition of promotion he stays until at least summer 25.
 
Absolutely in our hands due to the length of contract. Sunderland knocked back offers for Clarke, Coventry had offers last summer for Gyokeres and turned them down. It seems to be only some of our fans who seem to think you have to accept any offer from a prem club for one of your players.

A really mad offer might be hard to turn down but otherwise I think he'll stay another year after this and then leave if we're still not promoted.
 
I would say we got good returns on Traore, Tav and Akpom to be honest.

Traore we got a very good deal. £18m. I would be interested on how Wolves fans feel on this one. I doubt they feel like they had our pants down.

He was there there 6 seasons. Played 160 matches. (85 Starts). 10 Goals + 13 Assists. Left on a free. That doesnt sound like a good return for them.

Hackney will be playing PL football next season. I'm sure of it. I hope we don't lose him mid season but I hope we are already planning to replace him now because i think it's highly unlikely we'll manage to keep him.
 
WilliamMunny said:
You're entitled to hold that opinion of course. However, I don't see what Lee Tomlin did after leaving us that indicates Bournemouth had our eyes out. As for Tav and Akpom, it's well documented they were in the last year of their contracts, which always reduces a player's value. More importantly, I don't recall there being any other clubs interested in either so we had a simple choice - take the money on the table or let them leave for free at the end of the season.

You are not alone in using this stick to beat the Boro with, however it's rare that anyone we sell is subsequently sold on for more.
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I don't care how good Tomlin was at Bournemouth or what Tav and chubas contracts were. Nor am I using it as a stick to beat the club with. I am answering the question you posed. We lost good players for **** money. Doesn't matter if they were the only ones on the table. They were **** deals.
 
festa5 said:
Absolutely in our hands due to the length of contract. Sunderland knocked back offers for Clarke, Coventry had offers last summer for Gyokeres and turned them down. It seems to be only some of our fans who seem to think you have to accept any offer from a prem club for one of your players.

A really mad offer might be hard to turn down but otherwise I think he'll stay another year after this and then leave if we're still not promoted.
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It does come down to Hackney's wishes as well. If he's got international ambitions then he needs to be playing PL football. As well as probably tripling his wages. If he makes it known that he wants to leave when (I say when because I have no doubt there'll be PL clubs sniffing) there's PL interest then I think we will have to look to just get the best price we can.

I know we don't need to sell, but keeping players against their will is never a good idea either.
 
Big difference from Chuba and TAV is that Hackney will still have 3 years left on this contract next summer. You can add £10m because of that. I would think nothing less than £30m next summer would tempt us. He is a Boro lad too, unlike the players we sold recently so I doubt is actively looking to leave. Not sure beating the club for selling players under value is justified. My guess Chuba will be sold for £3-4m in a years time, Spence £5m is his value now? Tav has done well but they will go down with this manager and he will be available for £10-12m next summer. Good business when you look at that. Remember Gibson we got £15m f me his value is around £600l now.
 
B_G said:
It does come down to Hackney's wishes as well. If he's got international ambitions then he needs to be playing PL football. As well as probably tripling his wages. If he makes it known that he wants to leave when (I say when because I have no doubt there'll be PL clubs sniffing) there's PL interest then I think we will have to look to just get the best price we can.

I know we don't need to sell, but keeping players against their will is never a good idea either.
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Sometimes, depends on the player. I do think too much is made of it.

Players are denied moves all the time. I'm sure Jack Clarke would rather be playing premier league footy this season but Sunderland rejected the offer. If he throws his toys out of the pram then it's less likely he gets a move next summer. It's in players interests to be professional about it.

Think it's one of those where you tend to only remember the Van Hooijdonks, Berahinos and Ramirez's because they're more headline worthy.

The ones who just knuckle down and get on with it no-one remembers, but it happens every season and I'll bet there's far more of them.
 
If he's contracted to 2027 then we won't (hopefully won't) sell in summer 24 unless it's a silly offer.
Summer 25 we would get top money
Summer 26 he would only have a year left so price comes down rapidly from there

All depends on who else we have and what league we're in too. I don't think we're going up this year unless some players rapidly develop. Greenwood will I think, but it might not be enough for this year. Next year if Greenwood kicks on and we can snap him up for 1.5m and improve the side then we should be in a pretty good position to have a shot at promotion, but if we fail that then I think we will lose a couple of big players.

It's like snakes and ladders, just sort of need your ducks in a row (ladders) at the same time, or you inevitably hit a snake and you're back to the start, which is a bit like what happened to us last year when we hit the snake on square 97.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
His worth to us would be far greater than 12 million if he got us promoted. The 12 mill fee was not adequate compensation for the loss of such a key player, I felt the same about tav.
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But you do understand that they'd have left for nothing if we didn't sell them for those fees? Would that have felt better because we'd got one more season from them, even if it didn't result in promotion? Not to mention any morale issues with the squad, with everyone knowing they'd leave.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I don't care how good Tomlin was at Bournemouth or what Tav and chubas contracts were. Nor am I using it as a stick to beat the club with. I am answering the question you posed. We lost good players for **** money. Doesn't matter if they were the only ones on the table. They were **** deals.
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You state they were **** deals as if it is a factual statement, but it is only your opinion. My opinion is that we sold Tomlin for as much as we could and replaced him with Downing (and also Ramirez in January). We got promoted the following season while Tomlin played for 6 clubs in the following 4 seasons and was not a success at any of them. I'd say the balance of the evidence points to that being a shrewd bit of business but who knows what might have happened if we had kept Tomlin.

It is also my opinion that the money we got for Chuba and Tav was the best we could hope for and therefore not ****.


Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Take chuba as an example.

His worth to us would be far greater than 12 million if he got us promoted. The 12 mill fee was not adequate compensation for the loss of such a key player, I felt the same about tav.
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Ok but that's a somewhat different argument IMO. If we had kept Chuba and if he scored the goals to get us promoted, the decision would have been a good one. However, there was no guarantee that he could repeat last season and if he signed a pre-contract elsewhere in January, he might have been less motivated to perform for us as a result. Ultimately the club felt that the money on the table could be better utilised building for the future, rather than being gambled on an all or nothing season. Same with Tav.

We could have kept both and gambled on promotion, but it is far from certain that we would have gone up had we kept either. What can't be disputed though is that we cashed in at market value.
 
He'll probably be playing for a PL team next season. We probably won't be a PL team next season which means he probably leaves in the summer. Can't see us along in January unless there is £30m offered, which won't be. Nobody is gambling that sort of money in January for an inexperienced prospect.
 
No Premier League club is going to offer the money that makes it hard to turn down in January.

I doubt the top clubs will be in for him seriously just yet, and the lower clubs were struggling to spend that sort of money in the summer, let alone January.
 
If Hackney continues his rate of progression, he will be sold next summer, no doubt about it, a lower half PL team will buy him, he will want to go and play PL football, probably treble his wages, all this he's local lad is complete nonsense, Hackney will professionally do whats best for him. Only reason he will stay is if Boro get promoted, Boro won't sell then as his value will go up having played PL football.
We have to accept that evry Boro player has a for sale sign round their necks, that's the model now, they'll be sold if the timing & fee is right for Boro. For what it's worth Hackney would go for £15m upfront with add ons maybe making it £20m that's the top fee would be paid for a midfield player (not high in goals or assists) who's never played in the PL. Talk of £30m is ridiculous
 
If we go up we can. If not it just a matter of how much we can get for him working to the current model.
 
WilliamMunny said:
You state they were **** deals as if it is a factual statement, but it is only your opinion. My opinion is that we sold Tomlin for as much as we could and replaced him with Downing (and also Ramirez in January). We got promoted the following season while Tomlin played for 6 clubs in the following 4 seasons and was not a success at any of them. I'd say the balance of the evidence points to that being a shrewd bit of business but who knows what might have happened if we had kept Tomlin.

It is also my opinion that the money we got for Chuba and Tav was the best we could hope for and therefore not ****.



Ok but that's a somewhat different argument IMO. If we had kept Chuba and if he scored the goals to get us promoted, the decision would have been a good one. However, there was no guarantee that he could repeat last season and if he signed a pre-contract elsewhere in January, he might have been less motivated to perform for us as a result. Ultimately the club felt that the money on the table could be better utilised building for the future, rather than being gambled on an all or nothing season. Same with Tav.

We could have kept both and gambled on promotion, but it is far from certain that we would have gone up had we kept either. What can't be disputed though is that we cashed in at market value.
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Just for future reference anything I post is my opinion. Saves me having to write IMHO after every post. If something is an unassailable fact, I'll be sure to write FACT.
 
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