Brexit voters
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Wiseman_Vaughn
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It's funny how there is never a forward thinking thread re: Brexit. Like: How do we campaign to rejoin, based on information we now have (HV - I'm not pointing a finger at you).
Labour say's it won't campaign to rejoin, the Toried definitely won't.
Is there enough MP's out there to form a new party (similar to UKIP, Brexit Party) that specifically campaigns ro rejoin the EU?
Labour say's it won't campaign to rejoin, the Toried definitely won't.
Is there enough MP's out there to form a new party (similar to UKIP, Brexit Party) that specifically campaigns ro rejoin the EU?
Nero
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It's incredible isn't it. The evidence is there that Brexit was based on lies. It's taken away individual freedoms, made business more difficult, isolated the country politically and resulted in the worst UK government probably ever.
Yet still no political party dare that let alone campaign to rejoin.
whiteadder
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My judgement is somewhat clouded by my pro-EU sentiment, but I'd even go as far to say that it could be an election winner for Labour, especially given that now we're seeing the importance of European unity.
I guess another issue is that FPTP probably doesn't help pro-EU parties.
It was a factor but the overwhelming reason we have the Tories was Corbyn and his cronies.
I still can't believe people voted for the fat mess. But they did.... and picked him instead of Corbyn.
Capybara
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To answer the original question, I guess if I'd voted for Brexit I'd be saying that I did so on facts, not on the campaigns. The answer to a better future and the restoration of better relations with the rest of Europe lies not in persuading Brexit voters to change their minds, but in building support among those who didn't vote, and those who couldn't. Anyone who is currently younger than 24 didn't have a vote in 2016, and many who did vote for Brexit are not with us any more.
I do think we will rejoin but as Capy says it'll need the younger generation to make the difference.
I still don't know anyone other than bigots, self-interested isolationists and the stupid that actually voted for it.
None of my family and friends voted for it. Still can't believe it to this day.
I also disagree that re-joining would be a vote winner for Labour. Out there in the real world for the majority Brexit now just gets a groan.
People see bigger problems.
I still don't know anyone other than bigots, self-interested isolationists and the stupid that actually voted for it.
None of my family and friends voted for it. Still can't believe it to this day.
I also disagree that re-joining would be a vote winner for Labour. Out there in the real world for the majority Brexit now just gets a groan.
People see bigger problems.
Nero
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The generational point is a very good one. I have said all along that it was a disgrace 16 and 17 couldn't vote. It was their generation who stood to lose a lot. They are now 22 and 23 living with the consequences of something they had no choice with.
During the Scottish referendum 16 and 17 could vote as it was recognised and accepted the vote was massive with high potential consequences compared to a general election. The same should have happened with the EU vote.
Muttley
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We won't rejoin in a one off referendum type idiocy. A more fact based government will "synchronise our custom procedures" with our European neighbours and rejoin the "Single Market" at some point we might then allow freedom of movement between ourselves and our neighbours (just as we do with Ireland). We can do all of this without rejoining the EU (e.g. Norway or Switzerland) our only loss would be a place at the EU "table" when decisions are made. No need for a vote.
I believe this what a Starmer government will do, though you wont see it in any Labour Manifesto.
I believe this what a Starmer government will do, though you wont see it in any Labour Manifesto.
MolteniArcore
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I can't remember many facts that were given for benefits of leaving the EU. There was lots of opinion out there though. Some people nowadays think opinions are facts. Not saying that was you.
Norman_Conquest
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Here you go again with the 'I've been insulted' craic and looking for a rise out of people.
I thought admin's reply on the other thread spoke volumes about you continually crying wolf.
DrummerMan
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Admin this thread should be closed... it never ends well
The last line interests me mate .....why ?
HarryVegas
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We need to learn to discuss openly and without rancour. I was actually more interested in the mechanics of how people's opinions formed and changed in the face of changing evidence and circumstance, rather than a debate on the pros and cons of the original decision.
Laughing
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Here are my thoughts Harry. I voted to leave the EU with the, flawed, understanding that we would remain in the single market and customs union. It was madness to leave those economic unions.
I voted to leave because I didn't like the way the EU was heading, looking towards closer and closer political ties and before and since the referendum the EU has touted, and wants an armed force. I was dead against this.
Once Johnson became leader of the conservative party, my initial reaction was "oh ****" and it has remained the case. I regret my vote. Not because I want to be a memberr of the EU, I don't, but because it allowed Johnson to snatch power and has resulted in the worst government in my lifetime. On the other hand, this too will pass.
I would say that us not being in the EU has had no impact on putin's decision to invade Ukraine nor does it have an impact on where he will go next.
One final thought, to echo mutleys post, Starmer cannot campaign on a rejoin agenda for the next election. Your manifesto promises have to be achievable in a single term. This clearly cannot happen. What he has said is he will look for closer ties to the EU, which is all he can promise.
The problem I have with that no one in The UK voted to join The EU. Referendums on treaties which were signed off by governments were never held not just in The UK but other countries. It feels like The EU is morphing towards a super state without actually asking the people of Europe is this what you want.
Lemmy_kilmister
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In answer to the OP. I got it absolutely wrong and I really regret voting to leave.
WoodallServices
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You can see with Johnson and the Tories pathetic charade of going after the Oligarchs exactly why they were desperate to leave the EU and would lie through their back teeth to get their way. It was because the EU we’re going after all these tax havens that the Uk have all over the place, even though the UK and others would still have the likes of Jersey and Monaco etc.