Brexit - positives Remainers acknowledge, negatives Leavers acknowledge

There could be some benefits in terms of the ability to make decisions that are otherwise EU decisions. So, State Aid rules could be changed in theory. In practice, trade agreements will restrict what can be done.
 
In terms of positives Remainers can/should acknowledge, all that can really be said is that the cliff edge, instant shock, worst predictions did not thankfully come true. That's not exactly a positive, especially as they seem to be bit by bit coming true anyway.

In terms of Leavers acknowledging negatives, some don't acknowledge there have been negatives, some don't believe the negatives are down to Brexit and those who do acknowledge Brexit is an exacerbating factor mostly still think it is a bump in the road/teething troubles that were anticipated.

For me the only Brexit benefit will be if it leads to a progressive alliance and significant electoral reform that prevent extreme right wing governments gaining power again. That might be a price worth paying, especially if it also lays bare the actual overall benefits of EU membership and a far more interested engagement with it in the future.
 
I'm still basking in the warm glow of getting an EU stamp in my passport last week, it was worth being in a longer queue than the EU citizens for :whistle:
 
A negative for me is that the government now answers every question or criticism with ‘yes but the vaccine rollout….’
 
There aare a couple of positives, but not many. HGV drivers being paid more per hour is a benefit, but that is coming to the EU anyway, they are just a few months behind us.

Wages should increase more generally is another positive.

After that, there are probably some legal benefits we could avail ourselves of if only someone in government understood what they might be.

There are some obvious negatives, mostly around delays and paprerwork which in turn impact the economy.
 
Laughing said:
There aare a couple of positives, but not many. HGV drivers being paid more per hour is a benefit, but that is coming to the EU anyway, they are just a few months behind us.

Wages should increase more generally is another positive.

After that, there are probably some legal benefits we could avail ourselves of if only someone in government understood what they might be.

There are some obvious negatives, mostly around delays and paprerwork which in turn impact the economy.
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Look at me talking like a pirate.
 
We were a net contributer to the EU. That is a positive as its saving as a small amount of money.

The negative, of course, is that brexit has cost the economy so much more.

Yes there are many positives of brexit. The damage of the negatives outweighs them, and by a significant amount
 
SmallTown said:
Which,l is what, the 7th best in Europe?
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Yes it is now, but for months they’ve been banging on about it triumphantly in response to any awkward questions.

” So Matt you’ve been caught snogging an assistant and squeezing her ærse on cctv”
” yes but we’ve delivered 70 million vaccines”
 
Given that the objective was to "Take Back Control", Brexit was a success the moment it came into force. There needs be no financial reward, nor did anyone with a brain suggest there would be, because the objective was to have democratic accountability within the UK.

You can argue the toss about how effective is that accountability, but anything that goes wrong from now on cannot be placed at the feet of the EU. It's entirely a British cockup. You get what you vote for. What happens to state finances is largely a question of how the country is managed.

The fact immigration numbers are as high as they've ever been and that government borrowing is off the scale in historical terms, should provide solace to those of you worried the UK might end up with an actual conservative government full of "little Englanders" - turns out they're as much into Open Borders as George Soros and as far removed from traditional Tories as is possible. They do talk a lot about immigration however!
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
There could be some benefits in terms of the ability to make decisions that are otherwise EU decisions. So, State Aid rules could be changed in theory. In practice, trade agreements will restrict what can be done.
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You'd have to explain what we weren't allowed to do under EU rules, first. One of the biggest problems with Brexit was we were promised things we could already have (blue passports anyone?).

Lefty said:
In terms of positives Remainers can/should acknowledge, all that can really be said is that the cliff edge, instant shock, worst predictions did not thankfully come true.
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To be fair, though, that was the worst case prediction for a "No Deal". Thankfully we got the best oven-ready deal possible which is why there were no immediate down-sides...

br14 said:
Given that the objective was to "Take Back Control", Brexit was a success the moment it came into force. There needs be no financial reward, nor did anyone with a brain suggest there would be, because the objective was to have democratic accountability within the UK.

You can argue the toss about how effective is that accountability, but anything that goes wrong from now on cannot be placed at the feet of the EU. It's entirely a British cockup. You get what you vote for. What happens to state finances is largely a question of how the country is managed.

The fact immigration numbers are as high as they've ever been and that government borrowing is off the scale in historical terms, should provide solace to those of you worried the UK might end up with an actual conservative government full of "little Englanders" - turns out they're as much into Open Borders as George Soros and as far removed from traditional Tories as is possible. They do talk a lot about immigration however!
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1. Plenty of people in positions of Leave authority (presumably with brains) suggested quite strongly that there would be financial rewards. Many people voted to secure £350 Million per week for the NHS, for instance.

2. Considering we're currently blaming the EU for fishing problems, import problems, travel problems and the small matter of an Irish border, I don't think you can pretend that things aren't being placed at the feet of the EU.

3. They're worse than "little Englanders" - they're bleeding the country dry. They don't give a monkeys about the UK and we're slowly becoming a banana republic (but without the bananas). Do you really think anything has improved?
 
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