Brexit - deal or no deal?

[Laughing]

Taking something out that should never have been there doesn’t give me huge amount of confidence that it’s going to make a significant difference. I think a compromise will be achieved but I think we will have to give more than them because the stakes are higher for us. Brexiteer car maker sets up on the France/Germany border! Brexit what a con job for the British worker.

It wasn't a pat on the back for Johnson, we should never have been in that position, it was a statement meant to put peoples minds at rest over the NI protocol.

You really should try to discuss without always looking to knock everything. Crappy people sometimes do the right thing for the wrong reason. In this instance the reason doesn't matter, we have avoided being an international piriah. That is good news.

On the subject of a deal, probably too late now for the end of the transition period, but who knows.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Ah the jealousy line. Blame the elderly. Why not hope they die quickly that has been the position on here before. Vile.

Did I say anything like that? No. I said that the retired don't have to find work. Stop pretending I've said things.

Can't even be bothered or unwilling or, most likely, unable to engage with the content.

It must be easy being you - barely literate so you just make stuff up to fit your argument.

Also, there's a difference between envy and jealousy.

 

[Lefty]

I would say that was spot on . I blame you and the rest for the disaster of the last election. You gave it to Boris on a plate. 'i will give you Brexit' what was our response, because Corbyn was terrified of your wing of the party ' er we will look at it. Because of that we will get either a no deal or a hard exit. Why could you not let Corbyn say 'The decision has been made.' Then he could have softened the blow. But because of your intrangisence we have a lunatic who makes his brother a Lord, will be able to say ' I gave you Brexit' and Oh and by the way we were the first country to have the vaccine.

I could cry with your selfishness, your in not you the individual but the whole.

Sorry for the poor grammar before the police turn up.

I think this and your earlier posts to me are important for Remainers to understand and discuss. There are counter points I don't think you appreciate also.

This isn't the thread for it, it's off on too many different tangents, do you fancy a new one specifically about these points you made and the ones I made on your behalf which you said were 'spot on'?

 

[Same_as_before]

Did I say anything like that? No. I said that the retired don't have to find work. Stop pretending I've said things.

Can't even be bothered or unwilling or, most likely, unable to engage with the content.

It must be easy being you - barely literate so you just make stuff up to fit your argument.

Also, there's a difference between envy and jealousy.

Barely litterate, another insult.

Do you think no young people voted to leave? How do you know you will be worse off.

 

[Lefty]

How do you know you will be worse off.

You don't, but not knowing the future, for sure, does not mean all outcomes are equally probable, or that you don't try to predict the future as best you can.

 

[Same_as_before]

Lefty I am going to rejoin the party. It will be a lot easier knocking on doors without ' I don't trust him' or 'they wanted to ignore us'

I quite enjoyed door knocking, always start with the Boro with a young lad, and who should be the next King to the elderly.

Then remind them to put their X in the right place.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Barely litterate, another insult.

Do you think no young people voted to leave? How do you know you will be worse off.

Boohoo, the thousand year old man that can't read is being questioned for the things he says and does. Someone call the police!

I literally spelt literate correctly in my post and you couldn't even copy it.

No, a lot of young people did vote leave - but the overwhelming majority of those that voted voted remain. I don't get your point?

As for being worse off - the overwhelming weight of evidence, including the government's own figures say that GDP will contract by 2% and the economy had already contracted before COVID as a result of the vote - that's better than your... Well, nowt.

Also, even if that had all happened and we'd remained - I would have had the opportunity to move to 27 other countries to try my luck there. Now, because of people like you, I can't.

 

[Lefty]

Lefty I am going to rejoin the party. It will be a lot easier knocking on doors without ' I don't trust him' or 'they wanted to ignore us'

I quite enjoyed door knocking, always start with the Boro with a young lad, and who should be the next King to the elderly.

Then remind them to put their X in the right place.

I'm a little confused, are you blaming Corbyn for people not voting Labour, or Brexit?

 

[Same_as_before]

I'm a little confused, are you blaming Corbyn for people not voting Labour, or Brexit?

Corbyn and Brexit', how many times did you hear the man's a lunatic.

I think Starmer will have a hard time winning a few back but basically, more to the point, I hope the one off Tory voters can return .

 

[Same_as_before]

Boohoo, the thousand year old man that can't read is being questioned for the things he says and does. Someone call the police!

I literally spelt literate correctly in my post and you couldn't even copy it.

No, a lot of young people did vote leave - but the overwhelming majority of those that voted voted remain. I don't get your point?

As for being worse off - the overwhelming weight of evidence, including the government's own figures say that GDP will contract by 2% and the economy had already contracted before COVID as a result of the vote - that's better than your... Well, nowt.

Also, even if that had all happened and we'd remained - I would have had the opportunity to move to 27 other countries to try my luck there. Now, because of people like you, I can't.

So it's about you. Life's tough.

 

[HarryVegas]

Brexit is, and was always going to be, a disaster for the UK. People still digging their heels in are in denial.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

So it's about you. Life's tough.

It was an example - but it's good to see how flippant you are about other people who may have it tough. You can pretend you're Labour all you like - but scratch the surface and look at the snidey little selfish geriatric you really are.

Absolutely hilarious that the board's bigger whinger - who on this very thread has imagined he's been insulted and moaned about it - is dishing out the 'life's tough' rhetoric as well.

A hypocrite as well - add it to the list.

 

[Same_as_before]

I disagree but hey ho. It might be an exciting start.

 

[Same_as_before]

You seem to have an 'ism' against the elderly, you appear a kind and caring young man

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I'm a little confused, are you blaming Corbyn for people not voting Labour, or Brexit?

Lefty
He’s blaming corbyn for both....

For the record; corbyn was a disaster and part of the reason Brexit got through because a strong opposition would’ve challenged all the leave lies in the referendum with competence and confidence
Labour (and the unions: Len Mac) have a lot to answer for but not more than the evil Tories

 

[LaPennaBianca]

You seem to have an 'ism' against the elderly, you appear a kind and caring young man

Nope - you're projecting again.

Just don't care for selfish people that hate the young.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Lapenna ; well said regarding 'projection' most people don't even know about projection and even more so when they are engaged in it.

Same as before is a classic offender time and again. Look it up Same as before.

 

[Lefty]

Corbyn and Brexit', how many times did you hear the man's a lunatic.

I think Starmer will have a hard time winning a few back but basically, more to the point, I hope the one off Tory voters can return .

It was Corbyn far more than Brexit.

According to the polling analysts the part Brexit played was twofold.

Committed Remainers were upset at the mixed messaging coming out from Labour throughout. This was largely every time a pro-remain/2nd referendum message was put out, which was in line with the position the majority of Labour MP's, Labour members and Labour voters wanted, someone from the leaders office leaked a contradictory stance. The media of course lapped this up. This confused much of the electorate, but for people who were highly Remain, it set them against the Labour Party, especially since, in May's snap election, they lent Corbyn their vote to block May's hard Brexit, only to be told that they were part of a huge majority in favour of one form of Brexit or another. Most passionate Remainers were prepared to hold their nose and vote Labour if that was still the only tactical chance of stopping a Tory, but some weren't.

In terms of Brexit voters, Brexit voters were much more passionate about Brexit. This meant that Labour leave voters were prepared to switch, especially since most were much more centrist and put off by Corbyn, whereas Tory Remain voters were far more frightened of a Corbyn led government that may or may not be in charge of a post brexit UK, than a Conservative led government in charge but delivering Brexit.

I'm pretty sure Starmer will win back former Labour voters, except some on the far left, and win over a number of floating voters and remain/decent/sensible Tories over the next few years as he builds bridges and concensus and Brexit and the nature of these very worst Conservatives comes out.

 

[Same_as_before]

Lefty
He’s blaming corbyn for both....

For the record; corbyn was a disaster and part of the reason Brexit got through because a strong opposition would’ve challenged all the leave lies in the referendum with competence and confidence
Labour (and the unions: Len Mac) have a lot to answer for but not more than the evil Tories

Exactly.

 

[Same_as_before]

Nope - you're projecting again.

Just don't care for selfish people that hate the young.

I am 16.