Brexit - deal or no deal?

LeeMiller said:
Is it possible that there is no deal. Both sides experience it for a few weeks and then by January are back around the table and come to their senses?
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The opposite is likely because of the bad blood. The EU will probably want to move on and replace UK goods with their own manufacturing capability as soon as possible and not go back.
 
bear66 said:
The opposite is likely because of the bad blood. The EU will probably want to move on and replace UK goods with their own manufacturing capability as soon as possible and not go back.
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I think that is very unlikely bear. There was a leaked report that the EU intended to let us lie in our bed for 6 months and then get back to negotiations. This is also very unlikely. The lack of a trade deal is damaging to the EU also. It may take into mid next year for a bear bones deal to be reached then bit by bit we will move back to a single market model. Its too damaging to both sides to let it slide. Also Johnson will be gone by the spring hits tenure is just not sustainable if the tories want any chance of another term in government.
 
LeeMiller said:
Is it possible that there is no deal. Both sides experience it for a few weeks and then by January are back around the table and come to their senses?
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And a few industries wrecked ONLY in the uk while they have a stand off. Farming and car manufacturing
As a minimum
This government is riddled with extremists (just watched eustace on TV) All I hope this final Brexit process rips this extreme government apart and they start the infighting.
 
1finny said:
You don’t have to wait - just check the Tariffs we will be imposing from day one as part of WTO.
They are on the government website.
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🙏🏻 For chaos and bring down the worst government in our history however, people get the government they deserve
Self centred, constant mid information (lying) and created a resurgence in dangerous nationalism
 
Oven Ready Deal you say? More votes conned by Boris, someone needs to tell him a deal is something struck by both parties, and not his wish list.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
🙏🏻 For chaos and bring down the worst government in our history however, people get the government they deserve
Self centred, constant mid information (lying) and created a resurgence in dangerous nationalism
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If a country gets the government it deserves it looks like we're a nation of complete chumps :)
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
If a country gets the government it deserves it looks like we're a nation of complete chumps :)
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We are a nation of utter chumps. There’s a minority who see right through this shower but a majority are sheep being led to the slaughter that’s why I’m no patriot. Never will be.
Nation of predominant idiots we live among (my own dad is one of them; still love despite his major shortcomings but an idiot all the same)
 
Barnier was never going to concede anything and I thought there may be a faint hope when Ursula Von Der Leyen came back into the frame, but then although a German she was favoured by Macron for her European Commission role and she wasn't going to upset the French.

Result, back to Barnier and No Deal.
Not really a disaster though , although there are too many spineless people with no confidence in the British people. Get past them and we will be OK.
 
Lottowyn said:
Barnier was never going to concede anything and I thought there may be a faint hope when Ursula Von Der Leyen came back into the frame, but then although a German she was favoured by Macron for her European Commission role and she wasn't going to upset the French.

Result, back to Barnier and No Deal.
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Agree
And I’ve said this all along. The EU won’t compromise the single market for a deal with the uk. Hoping for no deal so this government falls on its sword
 
Laughing said:
I think that is very unlikely bear. There was a leaked report that the EU intended to let us lie in our bed for 6 months and then get back to negotiations. This is also very unlikely. The lack of a trade deal is damaging to the EU also. It may take into mid next year for a bear bones deal to be reached then bit by bit we will move back to a single market model. Its too damaging to both sides to let it slide. Also Johnson will be gone by the spring hits tenure is just not sustainable if the tories want any chance of another term in government.
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That would be fine, if it wasn't for the elephant in the room.

"Peers voted overwhelmingly to remove a section of the bill that would allow ministers to break international law - by 433 votes to 165.
The government said it would reinstate the clauses when the bill returns to the House of Commons next month"

If the government decides to reinstate these clauses it would be impossible for the the EU to come back to the table for any further negotiations regarding a trade deal of any kind. It breaks the Withdrawal Agreement, and international law
It's the same red line stipulated by Biden.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
And a few industries wrecked ONLY in the uk while they have a stand off. Farming and car manufacturing
As a minimum
This government is riddled with extremists (just watched eustace on TV) All I hope this final Brexit process rips this extreme government apart and they start the infighting.
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I think you are spot on, the government is riddled with extremists and they are the worst sort because they are presenting themselves as perfectly reasonable, nice people. Come with me and trust me, I will take you on a nice journey....
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Agree
And I’ve said this all along. The EU won’t compromise the single market for a deal with the uk. Hoping for no deal so this government falls on its sword
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As Johnson said, the UK red lines are what the people voted for so the UK, sorry, the British people, are the ones not willing to compromise.
 
bear66 said:
As Johnson said, the UK red lines are what the people voted for so the UK, sorry, the British people, are the ones not willing to compromise.
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Why didn't the same red lines get drawn when we entered the recent trade deal with Japan, it's got LPF provisions in it that we're now saying are unacceptable in a deal with Europe.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
Why didn't the same red lines get drawn when we entered the recent trade deal with Japan, it's got LPF provisions in it that we're now saying are unacceptable in a deal with Europe.
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Johnson didn't read the small print? Or Liz Truss wanted to sell more cheese.
 
One thing the vaccine rollout has made me realise is just how many millions there are in the older generation who are more likely to have voted for Brexit and for Johnson’s attempted revisit of World War 2.

I feel quite advanced at 59 and yet there are a good 20 million in front of me in the vaccine queue and that is mostly age related.

No wonder they pulled in 17 million votes first time around and 14.5 million at the last election.
 
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