Brexit benefit number 435

JackG said:
I voted to remain but supported the decision to honour the leave vote. With that caveat, I would have preferred a leave 'light' but this was never really available after the 2019 election. I don't share the view that we've been evicted from the Garden of Eden, however. Here's a Guardian article from last week (Larry Elliott - economics editor) '...why rejoining is just a pipe dream'


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Larry Elliott is a partisan. It's in his interests to argue Brexit is a success, although most of the article is cherry picking bad EU news.


Case in point: highlighting that the UK economy recovered more strongly than the German one, while neglecting to mention that Germany has had to completely overhaul its energy procurement following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Also, anyone who writes "the UK has not witnessed the rise of the nasty nationalism seen across the Channel" either isn't paying much attention or has a vested interest in pretending the Conservatives are more moderate than they are.
 
Muttley said:
Assuming you voted leave, please think a little more carefully when next you are afforded the privilege and perhaps ask questions and consider thinking about the impact on other people rather than what's in it for you.
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I wasn't sure what the impact of brexit would be on me, never mind anyone else. So wasn't confident enough to vote either way.

Lets be honest though, most people vote according to their own perspective. They might consider the impact on family and maybe close friends but very rarely beyond that.
There is nothing wrong with that approach, it establishes the majority view even if every vote is made for selfish reasons.
 
Will_Graham said:
I've told you one.
We are no longer members of the EU.

It was always obvious there would be short-term / medium-term problems, but in 10, 15, 20 years or whatever I hope it will be seen as the correct decision. So the benefits you are so keen to find will be experienced by our children/grandchildren.
Big picture stuff.
Not things like the availability of tasting menus in restaurants.

Granted the current government has probably made things worse and the transition more painful than it could have been, but that's a different argument really.
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That is NOT a benefit. It's a disaster.
 
WJH, it's pretty obvious how someone could misinterpret WG's analogy as xenophobic although I don't believe it was.

"Will, honestly, most of these so called rejoiners are absolute blaggers who just want to abuse people to feel superior but are clearly thick as mince"

This hardly singles you out as a pillar of intellect now does it?
 
FishofContemplation said:
To be honest, I think it is you who do not understand the answer. The primary purpose of any political separatist is to achieve the political separation that they seek. It follows that the achievement of that separation is a benefit to them. It is not to me, which is why I did not vote for it. But it self evidently is for those who wished it. The refusal to accept this reply as even having validity is an example of how completely tangential the debate between remainers and leavers was. And is in no small way a reason why remain lost.

And it seems to be unique to Brexit. We would never accuse someone seeking Scottish independence as having an invalid view unless they solely sought to make an economic case. We would not have presented an Irish nationalist leader in the 1930s with relative GDP figures, and expected him to decide he had made a mistake and beg the King to come back. Only in relation to Brexit do we simply refuse to accept that the political question had any validity at all.

I did not wish to leave, but for those that did, the fact that we have is clearly a benefit per se, just as Scottish independence would be a benefit per se for a Scottish nationalist. It is absurd to refuse to accept it.
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I did understand the answer. It just didn't explain anything. Certainly not why it is worth reducing it freedom of movement, trashing our economy, making the country more isolated, costing is jobs, increasing illegal immigration, removing checks and balances in the form of the European courts, removing is from Erasmus, risking the good Friday agreement and now, giving us salmonella.

I think you hit s key point though. Some brexiteers just think Brexit of itself is s good idea. It's why I called them a cult. They can't explain WHY it's a good idea, they have just been conditioned to think it is.
 
Will_Graham said:
And nothing yet has convinced me that the majority got it wrong'.
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Yeah I think this is my question, see the abridged list of failures in my above post. What WILL it take before you realise how bad it's been? That's kind of the crux of the thread. We have so much evidence as to failures, so many stories from all walks of life how it's affected them. How far does the country have to fall before you realise it?
 
Brexit will continue to hamper Britain until the fools who voted for it are dead. The younger generation are more likely to realise the folly of the whole stupid lie.

Another Brexit benefit came to light recently for me. A bloke I know (smart person too) who voted Brexit, is now facing struggles in his industry. Lots of the big companies are European and now insist on their workers having a EU passport, so they don’t have to deal with unnecessary bureaucracy. British workers in the industry are now trying desperately to see if they have Irish connections.
 
HarryVegas said:
Sovrenty....big Nige.....man o the peeple......dunt lyke forriners.....
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Actually according to this thread the two benefits of brexit are "Shut up Smalltown it's your fault" and "Brexit means brexit"

Not sure how tangible each of these are but they'll offer me some comfort as I try and recover from salmonella, which of course takes me longer because they didn't give £350 Million to the NHS
 
Merrykoala said:
Immigrants and the poor will bear the brunt of the blame, and people will believe it.

T'was ever thus
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yeah I think this is the thing. In the dark heart of the brexiteer there will ALWAYS be an excuse.

Bizarre isn't it, if a country forced economic sanctions on us they would be the first to scream "HOW DARE THEY" yet they happily defend us placing economic sanctions on ourself
 
WJH. said:
Your contribution to proving how knowledgeable you are on all things EU over the last few years is to prove you know Von Der Leyens name

One day you might engage in a conversation beyond why you think brexit is bad and your fantasy that Labour is rejoining

You obviously belive in the rejoin fairy
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It's von der Leyen.

I'm not thick, I don't think. But matters of opinion are all valid here.

And I, of course, know what the Labour Party leadership are saying. But, just as the Conservatives had a Brexit fringe until it wasn't a fringe anymore, the same is true of the Labour party. Also, as Brexit proves to be less than advertised the political blocks on rejoining may disappear. I don't know, but I know the current situation is untenable.

However, if you'd actually read my contributions, you'd see that I don't think the UK will rejoin any time soon - but I do think a Norway single market deal will happen (prob at some point next decade).
 
Will_Graham said:
Ooooh, a dangerous road to go down.
IQ tests before votes? Personality analysis?
Anyway you'll be pleased to learn I didn't vote. I thought it best to leave the decision to all the armchair experts out there.
And nothing yet has convinced me that the majority got it wrong.
I think at some point in the future it will be looked back on as a good decision. That is my 'hunch'.
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Not what I said. But hats off, if you didn't vote then fair play.

For what it's worth I'm not convinced I was fully qualified to vote either.

A massively complex issue that should never have been put to the electorate. Certainly not in the way it was.
 
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