he's offered the defence of "maybe there was a guy that looked like a monkey in the crowd", isn't that a defence, some alleged plausible explanation, despite it really not being plausible. It's a benefit of the doubt defence on a thread where 99% of people have no doubt and I bet the club isn't in doubt either
defence of a potentially innocent fan (no matter how unlikely this may seem as time marches on)
NOT to be confused with the defence of a potentially racist fan.. which I have not done btw
Agree with these 2 comments
Newy before I say anything I like you , and while I know you won't like these comments I hope the disagreement is confined to this thread
Posters such as Roofie Boromart Jedi Boro JuninhoBurger have all used stronger words than they often do because your stance on this is so out of line with what most people have seen in that video - ie a disgraceful racist actions that brings a bad name to the club and the Teesside area
I'm certainly not going to pay any attention to the musings of a self styled troll JuninhoBurger who went straight on my ignore list. Our local wannabe vigilante Roofie I feel is as misguided as Jedi Boro.. and the idea that someone MIGHT not be racist is racist in itself or indeed 'part of the problem' or the reason that racists incidents occur is laughable at best.. but more worryingly counterproductive.
Your comments have 'muddied the waters' and turned this into a back and forth ongoing disagreement, when I'd hope most would simply condemn her actions
I think that that dragging children into this muddies the waters as does making not so veiled threats.. let alone trying to drag a well know and vocal anti racist on this board into the pile on.
The club and fmttm have made quite clear comments on this
The club quite rightly has said that the incident has been reported and an investigation will be carried out with a zero tolerance response to any racist activity. fmttm on twitter has said this is 100% a racist incident and I can only assume that they are paty to evidence to which I have not been aware.
If - and it's still a very unusual stance to take - you actually believe there is any doubt about what she was doing - you could have said it, and left it until it came out in the wash. But you have continued to come out with reasons why it 'might not' have been racist. 'Tony Mowbray' for goodness sake!!
innocent until proven guilty is not an unusual stance to take outside of the social media bubble.
You say the club have a blind spot on racism, but seem to take a stance very out of line with most anti-racist posters - and indeed the general population if you see the condemnations of her on social media
yes, I have been saying this for quite some time.. with no support from posters such as JuninhoBurger, Jedi, etc .. funny that
A lot of people - not all - suggest the players take the knee again because there is an element of Boro 'supporters' who very quickly get a boo in when an opposition team take 5 seconds to do it. Rather than just ignore it. You're very vocal in saying that absolutely shouldn't be done. Which surprises me, but you'll just double down on disagreeing when it is suggested
I have been very critical in saying the club did NOTHING in place of players taking the knee.. nothing visible at least and it would create a space for racists to feel emboldened to make racist comments and/or make racist gestures. The approach that some well meaning posters made was very problematic, again counter productive and showed a complete misunderstanding and ignorance on the subject.
That woman deserves all she gets in terms of an investigation - whether by the club , or police
a somewhat redundant point.. but yes. crime/wrongdoings deserve punishment and consequences.
If - and I certainly hope she is - she is banned from the ground (and Leicester and maybe others) and those kids next to her are hers, then she can explain why she is no longer able to go to the matches with them
IF.. exactly.
The ideal scenario would be for her to learn her lesson about racism, but I'm not convinced she won't just be angry at the 'woke, snowflake, lefty' majority - while getting occasional backing from a small number of RWNJ
That should definitely be part of the answer regardless of the outcome.. and definitely so if found to be guilty.. as I have stated on numerous occasions.
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