Boro fan recorded making racist gesture at Leicester

Rofesleg said:
I think if there really was some weird innocent explanation to her actions we would have heard from her by now.
Hard to believe she isn't aware of what is being said.
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I would have good money on it she jumps every time the door goes, and she will certainly be expecting a loud knock on it.

Before the week is out she will be plastered all over the local papers and could lose her employment over that incident.
 
I must admit, even on the off chance she was having a go at a white fella who looked like a monkey (in the Peter Reid mould) you'd have to be a brave/stupid lass (delete as appropriate) to make a monkey gesture in the general direction of a large group of people and expect no one to take it as a racist gesture. Unless you were absolutely certain the ethnicity of said group was 100% white - unlikely in the Midlands (or most parts of the UK)!

I do find it odd how the people around her seem totally unperturbed. The bloke directly in front of her seems to have a bit of a look, then a look at who she's pointing at, and says nothing. I'm not judging him, you don't know the full circumstances, but it looks very odd on film.
 
Blindschool said:
I think you should validate that opinion with Newiddyon first.
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I don’t need to validate my opinion with anyone. What a strange comment when I’ve been absolutely clear and consistent that this was likely racist and if proven so the authorities should take the appropriate action. I would have no sympathy whatsoever as there is no place for bigotry in society.

However, with just the video as evidence, there was a very small and unlikely chance of a different, non-racist possibility. You follow the logical path of ruling out possibilities until you hit the most likely and it looks like further evidence has quashed other possibilities. Therefore, it’s absolutely correct that action is being taken.
 
There doesn't need to be a conviction by the police in order for the club to justify banning her for life by the way - if the club deems it to be racist (which they will, because it is) then they have every right to ban her regardless of if a police investigation goes anywhere.

Newy seems to be missing this part, or deliberately both-siding an issue where the overwhelming majority of Boro supporters see this as racist abuse.

Now why Newy would want to do that, I don't know. But it's good to see Rob has made his position clear on this.
 
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Juninhoburger said:
There doesn't need to be a conviction by the police in order for the club to justify banning her for life by the way - if the club deems it to be racist (which they will, because it is) then they have every right to ban her regardless of if a police investigation goes anywhere
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100% my point entirely the club can do what they want and they will. Zero tolerance
 
Ravshoutsatbeck said:
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal tenet like you say.

You are more than able to make your opinion on things, but just not able to lock someone up for it.

I do not see any way that someone shouts "monkey" and then "want a banana?" And it not be considered racist - even if done innocently it is a racist enough behaviour within the context of Racism at football to be punished and condemned independent of any investigation.

Targeting it at a single person will probably make it a crime.

I actually think it has taken away from the condemnation that should have been front and centre on here today with the posts that have said let's wait and see what an investigation brings up.
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Every lynch mob through history said much the same.

We have a process and it should be allowed to take its course.
However that wasn't really the point I was making.
 
r00fie1 said:
No implied threat.
It's the perpetrator facing the victim.
Racists are cowards and need to apologize.
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Pity you didn't say that then.
What you actually said was you wanted her to meet a group of Boro fans (not the victim) and for her to do it again (not to apologise). To see what happens next.
A phrase which is normally used as some sort of threat. So I can see why Newy interpretated it as such.
 
Smoggle said:
I don’t need to validate my opinion with anyone. What a strange comment when I’ve been absolutely clear and consistent that this was likely racist and if proven so the authorities should take the appropriate action. I would have no sympathy whatsoever as there is no place for bigotry in society.

However, with just the video as evidence, there was a very small and unlikely chance of a different, non-racist possibility. You follow the logical path of ruling out possibilities until you hit the most likely and it looks like further evidence has quashed other possibilities. Therefore, it’s absolutely correct that action is being taken.
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I think the comment was probably aimed at newys stance on defending this women rather than aimed at you
 
"I think the comment was probably aimed at newys stance on defending this women rather than aimed at you"
But newy isn't defending the woman.
 
davidmills said:
"I think the comment was probably aimed at newys stance on defending this women rather than aimed at you"
But newy isn't defending the woman.
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he's offered the defence of "maybe there was a guy that looked like a monkey in the crowd", isn't that a defence, some alleged plausible explanation, despite it really not being plausible. It's a benefit of the doubt defence on a thread where 99% of people have no doubt and I bet the club isn't in doubt either
 
He is not saying that is what has happened he is saying stop saying she is guilty until proven so.
If she had shot the person the gesture was aimed at she would still be innocent until proven guilty.
 
Ravshoutsatbeck said:
I actually think it has taken away from the condemnation that should have been front and centre on here today with the posts that have said let's wait and see what an investigation brings up.
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Juninhoburger said:
Newy seems to be missing this part, or deliberately both-siding an issue where the overwhelming majority of Boro supporters see this as racist abuse.

Now why Newy would want to do that, I don't know. But it's good to see Rob has made his position clear on this.
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Agree with these 2 comments

Newy before I say anything I like you , and while I know you won't like these comments I hope the disagreement is confined to this thread

Posters such as Roofie Boromart Jedi Boro JuninhoBurger have all used stronger words than they often do because your stance on this is so out of line with what most people have seen in that video - ie a disgraceful racist actions that brings a bad name to the club and the Teesside area

Your comments have 'muddied the waters' and turned this into a back and forth ongoing disagreement, when I'd hope most would simply condemn her actions

The club and fmttm have made quite clear comments on this

If - and it's still a very unusual stance to take - you actually believe there is any doubt about what she was doing - you could have said it, and left it until it came out in the wash. But you have continued to come out with reasons why it 'might not' have been racist. 'Tony Mowbray' for goodness sake!!

You say the club have a blind spot on racism, but seem to take a stance very out of line with most anti-racist posters - and indeed the general population if you see the condemnations of her on social media

A lot of people - not all - suggest the players take the knee again because there is an element of Boro 'supporters' who very quickly get a boo in when an opposition team take 5 seconds to do it. Rather than just ignore it. You're very vocal in saying that absolutely shouldn't be done. Which surprises me, but you'll just double down on disagreeing when it is suggested


That woman deserves all she gets in terms of an investigation - whether by the club , or police

If - and I certainly hope she is - she is banned from the ground (and Leicester and maybe others) and those kids next to her are hers, then she can explain why she is no longer able to go to the matches with them

The ideal scenario would be for her to learn her lesson about racism, but I'm not convinced she won't just be angry at the 'woke, snowflake, lefty' majority - while getting occasional backing from a small number of RWNJ
 
You can have your own judgement but she is still innocent until proven guilty and so the club need to investigate thoroughly as Newy keeps saying.
Nobody on this entire thread is defending her it is just the process being questioned by some on here.
 
I've no problem with taking the time to investigate, though I find it hard to imagine what defence could justify such actions. The evidence is, at least on the surface, damning.

When such evidence is in the open, it's really a case of guilty until proven innocent. Failure to defend yourself against such evidence is effectively an admission of guilt.

Should it be as it appears, I don't want people like this following Boro. They should not expect any protection from fans just because they support the same team.
 
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