Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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Subbuteo_171 said:
For someone who regularly professes intellectual superiority you are displaying incredible bigotry on this thread.

You really need to read it back and consider how your views on religion are distorting your perspective.
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Bigotry is treating individuals or a group unfairly. I don’t do it in the real world or on this thread.

The challenge to you is to back up your accusation of my “bigoted comments on this thread”…I’ll await a pivot
 
So, having read the full thread,
Nobody knew what the break was for,
but everyone knows what the booing was for. 👍🏻
 
I haven't read past page 4 of this thread and am also reluctant to post in it too. The reason for both is identical - too many claim racism for any action or alternative belief they do not like.

That aside, I will contest the view that this drinks break is no different to a normal drinks break. It is different. Not in the way they use the break to take on fluids, but in the the way it has been introduced in a match it normally wouldn't be. The temperature last night was mild at best and would not have had a drinks break at all. It did not warrant a "football drinks break" like we see during very hot games. This was a drinks break in a game that did not need one for any other reason but religion.

My own stance is that I have no care either way on whether it should/shouldn't be introduced but just wanted to point out it is different to the usual drinks breaks as they are only brought in for very hot games.
 
Malaguena said:
We do, but that's got nothing to do with the debate that this thread has developed into - and as an observation, you don't half like playing the racist card when you've lost an argument
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What argument have I lost? I’m commenting on the booing of a water break to support those fasting for Ramadan. We have all lost when we just accept it, there is no argument here, we have a deep lying racist element amongst our fanbase.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
For someone who regularly professes intellectual superiority you are displaying incredible bigotry on this thread.

You really need to read it back and consider how your views on religion are distorting your perspective.
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They’ve really let themselves down, I thought better of them and others.
 
Sexpom said:
Everyone has a right to believe in what they want and they deserve any support afforded to them. I’m disappointed by a few posters on this thread tonight.
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It is interesting that you say this but then shoot down anybody who thinks the drinks break shouldn't be included in football for purely religious reasons.

I agree that adults booing anything is embarassing but your apparent need to judge and condemn anybody who disagrees with you on other issues makes you almost impossible to debate with in a sensible and constructive manner.

You really should put an asterisk with your comment I have quoted that states "only if you share the same beliefs as me".
 
Support Your Local Team said:
It is interesting that you say this but then shoot down anybody who thinks the drinks break shouldn't be included in football for purely religious reasons.

I agree that adults booing anything is embarassing but your apparent need to judge and condemn anybody who disagrees with you on other issues makes you almost impossible to debate with in a sensible and constructive manner.

You really should put an asterisk with your comment I have quoted that states "only if you share the same beliefs as me".
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I wouldn’t want to debate with anyone who thinks like that, we are a diverse forum are we not? To not want to give those fasting the opportunity to take a very very short break and take some water on is awful.
 
Sexpom said:
I wouldn’t want to debate with anyone who thinks like that, we are a diverse forum are we not? To not want to give those fasting the opportunity to take a very very short break and take some water on is awful.
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I have read the whole of this thread and I have to say that you are the most intolerant and judgmental person on this board, that is awful in my opinion.
 
Sexpom said:
I wouldn’t want to debate with anyone who thinks like that, we are a diverse forum are we not? To not want to give those fasting the opportunity to take a very very short break and take some water on is awful.
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You are often very dramatic with you conclusions. "Awful"? For having a difference of opinion? In previous posts it's been because people are "racist" so at least you seem to be toning it down a bit.

Many will not want some games to have in-bult drinks breaks that aren't consistent. When it is for extreme heat that affects every player and is uncontrollable. Introducing breaks into some games and not others on the grounds of religion is a difficult one - the fasting is through choice. Also, many players and fans will be atheists. Do they have the right to insist that it isn't introduced?

What elements of religion do we now need to introduce? No games on the sabbath? None on Easter Sunday?

Regardless, many, many people will have had no idea what the stoppages were for. I had zero idea watching at home on TV. And in a game where Michael Carrick had to tell his own supporters to calm down when the Boro keeper was seen as "wasting time" on the ball I can fully believe that people were unhappy with seeing the game stopped if they also did not know the reason why.

Ignorant? Certainly.
Non-inclusive? Open for debate
Concerned about seeing their game introduce too much to do with religion? Quite possibly.

What we do know, however, is that anyone who just blanket labels everybody "racist" for having a different opinion/choice of actions to their own is probably equally less palatable also.
 
Support Your Local Team said:
You are often very dramatic with you conclusions. "Awful"? For having a difference of opinion? In previous posts it's been because people are "racist" so at least you seem to be toning it down a bit.

Many will not want some games to have in-bult drinks breaks that aren't consistent. When it is for extreme heat that affects every player and is uncontrollable. Introducing breaks into some games and not others on the grounds of religion is a difficult one - the fasting is through choice. Also, many players and fans will be atheists. Do they have the right to insist that it isn't introduced?

What elements of religion do we now need to introduce? No games on the sabbath? None on Easter Sunday?

Regardless, many, many people will have had no idea what the stoppages were for. I had zero idea watching at home on TV. And in a game where Michael Carrick had to tell his own supporters to calm down when the Boro keeper was seen as "wasting time" on the ball I can fully believe that people were unhappy with seeing the game stopped if they also did not know the reason why.

Ignorant? Certainly.
Non-inclusive? Open for debate
Concerned about seeing their game introduce too much to do with religion? Quite possibly.

What we do know, however, is that anyone who just blanket labels everybody "racist" for having a different opinion/choice of actions to their own is probably equally less palatable also.
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What we have seen is our ‘supporters’ boo taking the knee which is anti racist and discrimination, what we have also seen is our ‘supporters’ boo for taking a short water break to help those taking part in Ramadan. Work it out? We have an excellent fanbase but we have a minority that likes to boo these things and we also have two racist ‘boro’ forums where these ‘people’ tend to congregate. I am sick to the back teeth of these ‘fans’ who like to display these racist demonstrations in front of our young supporters and it shames me to be from the same town as these ‘people’. We need to call it out.
 
Sexpom said:
They’ve really let themselves down, I thought better of them and others.
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I’ve let nothing down. As I’ve stated I support everyone’s right to follow whatever religion they want and I will fight for their right to do, despite not believing a word of it.

But someone shouldn’t have special privilege for their belief system, that’s a bad road to go down, it’s one the world has often been down in fact. It’s just a belief system, it isn’t sacrosanct, religion has no more importance than any other belief, like people that believe the moon landings didn’t happen or that John Lennon is the greatest songwriter of all time. It’s just a belief.

I treat all belief systems the same, none are taboo, including my own, I don’t expect any special rights for my beliefs in public life and neither should anyone else.

If you want to prove your worthiness to your god, go for it, but accept that that choice is yours to carry no one else, and you have to carry any associated impact it has on yourself. Such is life.
 
Support Your Local Team said:
You are often very dramatic with you conclusions. "Awful"? For having a difference of opinion? In previous posts it's been because people are "racist" so at least you seem to be toning it down a bit.

Many will not want some games to have in-bult drinks breaks that aren't consistent. When it is for extreme heat that affects every player and is uncontrollable. Introducing breaks into some games and not others on the grounds of religion is a difficult one - the fasting is through choice. Also, many players and fans will be atheists. Do they have the right to insist that it isn't introduced?

What elements of religion do we now need to introduce? No games on the sabbath? None on Easter Sunday?

Regardless, many, many people will have had no idea what the stoppages were for. I had zero idea watching at home on TV. And in a game where Michael Carrick had to tell his own supporters to calm down when the Boro keeper was seen as "wasting time" on the ball I can fully believe that people were unhappy with seeing the game stopped if they also did not know the reason why.

Ignorant? Certainly.
Non-inclusive? Open for debate
Concerned about seeing their game introduce too much to do with religion? Quite possibly.

What we do know, however, is that anyone who just blanket labels everybody "racist" for having a different opinion/choice of actions to their own is probably equally less palatable also.
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Very well said, sport cannot afford to introduce religious interruptions to satisfy minority groups and virtue signalling people like sexpom.
 
BoroMart said:
I’ve let nothing down. As I’ve stated I support everyone’s right to follow whatever religion they want and I will fight for their right to do, despite not believing a word of it.

But someone shouldn’t have special privilege for their belief system, that’s a bad road to go down, it’s one the world has often been down in fact. It’s just a belief system, it isn’t sacrosanct, religion has no more importance than any other belief, like people that believe the moon landings didn’t happen or that John Lennon is the greatest songwriter of all time. It’s just a belief.

I treat all belief systems the same, none are taboo, including my own, I don’t expect any special rights for my beliefs in public life and neither should anyone else.

If you want to prove your worthiness to your god, go for it, but accept that that choice is yours to carry no one else, and you have to carry any associated impact it has on yourself. Such is life.
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It’s a 30 second water break ffs.
 
xboro said:
I would not have booed but I completely disagree with the reasons for allowing it, and the potential for other religious observances to disrupt sport.
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There aren't many religions largely followed by footballers, other than Christianity and Islam. If there's any exceptions that can be made to make life easier for footballers then teams, managers will always do so. Ultimately, football is just a sport and personal commitments will always come first, regardless of how much spectators do or don't like it.

It's quite well documented how tolerant some of the greatest managers the game has ever seen are, eg Wenger, klopp, pep, and that is what makes them great.
 
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